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Recieved: 2001/08/21 13:26
Subject: Re: [K-list] epilepsy and K experience/sleep paralysis
From: Druout
On 2001/08/21 13:26, Druout posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 8/20/2001 12:00:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
an1ATnospamdcc.tas.gov.au writes:
> The feeling I had was that the geometric
> pattern had become in love with itself and the love needed to reproduce
Dear Dustpan, List,
What a wonderful image! :))
[I try to move my arms,
I 'see' them moving, but then moments after I realise that I have not moved
them at all. I struggle for some time in my 'coma' body. It feels as though
about 15 mins go by but I cant be sure]
I frequently wake up in a state catalepsy. I'm not sure if this is similar to
what you are experiencing or not. Usually I wake up 2 or three times at
night with it. Sometimes if I simply relax into the state and let a bit of
time go by before I try to move. For me it isn't unpleasant--but perhaps it
is the *fear* which causes a problem--the fear of not getting back to
"normal."
Further below is a post on Sleep Paralysis sent to the list last February
which might help "explain" some of what you are experiencing.
[While I am having this experience
the concept of time goes out the window.I will be trying to move my arm ,
going through certain motions and arm flexes, then time will seem to 'flip'
and I will have the same experience again. If you are thinking that this is
wonderful and sci-fi it is NOT. ]
That *does* sound nightmarish.
[Normally I walk around the room as normal, I don't 'float' on the
ceiling as most OBE's do. Sometimes the furniture is in different positions,
it is for this reason I am quite willing to listen to people who think I am
just having a hallucination, why would the furniture be different?]
Well, perhaps it is to *let you know* that this is a different reality that
you are experiencing.
[I spend
most of my time being worried about how I will get back into my body (waking
up is just as difficult) my normal interest in other realms is eaten by
fear. I also try to hide from other 'things' that seem to dwell in this
realm. Once I tried to hide under the bed to escape 3 'monks' complete in
Franciscan robes! They totally ignored me.]
I was fortunate in that for some reason the energy seemed to eat my fear
rather than the other way around. I should have been afraid I was going
mad--hearing voices--etc. But at some point I decided it didn't matter if I
were mad or not. That whatever the energy wanted from me--whatever
transpired-- was ok with me--that it knows best. Whenever I do find myself
falling into fear, I try to force myself to relax. But Fear is one of the
most difficult things to overcome!
Does anyone have any ideas of how to overcome fear?
Love, Hillary
*****************
Date: 2/25/2001 4:26:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: druoutATnospamaol.com
To:K-list
In the Science Times section of the NYTimes July 6, 1999 there was a
fascinating article on "sleep paralysis." The "catalepsy" some of us
experience seems to be a variation of this--but a blissful version. I
apologize if I sent this
before. I couldn't find it in the archives, though.
*********
"I feel an intense pressure in my head, as if it's going to explode," said
Mr. Terrillon, a Canadian physicist doing research in Japan. Sometimes he
finds himself transported upward and looking down on his body, or else sent
hurtling through a long tunnel, and these episodes are terrifying even for a
scientist like him who does not believe that evil spirits go around haunting
people.
"Called sleep paralysis, this disorder--the result of a disconnect between
brain and body as a person is on the fringe of sleep--is turning out to be
increasingly common, affecting nearly half of all people at least once.
Moreover, a growing number of scholars believe that sleep paralysis may help
explain many ancient reports of attacks by witches and modern claims of
abduction by space aliens.
"I think it can explain claims of witchcraft and alien abduction," said
Kazuhiko Fukuda, a psychologist at Fukushima University in Japan and a
leading expert on sleep paralysis. Research in Japan has had a headstart
because sleep paralysis is well-known to most Japanese, who call it
kanashibari, while it is little-known and less studied in the West.
...
"Sleep paralysis seems to have been described since ancient times, and an
episode appears in "Moby Dick"...Chinese called it "gui ya," or ghost
pressure, and believed that a ghost sat on and assaulted sleepers. ...In the
West Indies, sleep paralysis was called "kokma"...
"People will draw on the most plausible account in their repertoire to
explain their experience," said Al Cheyne, an associate professor of
psychology at the University of Waterloo in Canada....
"A sensed presence, vague gibberish spoken in one's ear, shadowy creatures
moving about the room, a strange immobility, a crushing pressure and painful
sensations in various parts of the body--these are compatible not just with
an assault by a primitive demon but also with probing by alien
experimenters," Dr. Cheyne said. "And the sensations of floating and flying
account for the reports of levitation and transport to alien vessels....
"Even after many years of study, particularly in the last decade, it remains
mysterious. Experts have trouble even saying definitively whether a person
is asleep or awake during sleep paralysis.
"In the classic definition, you are awake," sand Emmanuel Mignot, director of
the Center for Narcolepsy at Stanford University Medical School. "But in
practice, there's a gradient between being awake and being in REM sleep,: he
said, adding that sleep paralysis lies in a murky place on that slope.
"During REM sleep--the period when rapid eye movement takes place--the body
essentially turns itself off and disconnects from the brain. This is a
safety measure, so that people do not physically act out their dreams, and it
means that people are effectively paralyzed during part of their sleep....
"Just what is going on in the brain during sleep paralysis is unclear. The
person experiencing the paralysis certainly feels completely awake and "sees"
the room clearly, but laboratory experiments in Japan show that sometimes
people experiencing sleep paralysis do not even open their eyes....
"Men and women seem to suffer it at equal rates, and although it is most
common in the teen-age years, it is reported at all ages...
"Aside from witchcraft and alien abduction, sleep paralysis is also sometimes
mentioned as a possible link to shamanism and to dream interpretation and
even to near-death experiences. But for many sufferers, the growing research
in the field is reassuring simply because it demonstrates that they are not
alone in their terrifying night-time paralysis and hallucinations. ..."
*********
Hillary again: There is a sexual component in all this that the article
fails to talk about but is obviously common with "alien abduction" stories.
...
Perhaps there is another state that is a "sexual energy" state of some kind
that causes catelepsy, and this in turn, along with powerful sexual energy,
causes these experiences.
The catelpsy may also translate as
powerlessness.
Love, Hillary
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