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Recieved: 2001/08/12 19:39
Subject: Re: godrealized introduces himself [K-list] Digest Number 675
From: Pepper J. Baxter
On 2001/08/12 19:39, Pepper J. Baxter posted thus to the K-list:
Read your digest #675. Guess I made a fool of myself again in minds of
others. It looks to me like both sides have an over abundance of ego. How do
I know for sure that either side is right? Anyway I'll go inside to find out
myself what is.
Still he can't be all bad. I know I'm not, and no one else is either. I don't
condone, nor discondone his "above us" attitude but some of the India
aristocrasy believe they are above what they think of as the common people.
It's just an ego belief.
What do I care if someone feels they are above me. They aren't. But I'm not
above them either.
Just thoughts, Pepper
divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com wrote:
> Vijay,
>
> You certainly have a limited understanding of what god is. But that's
> natural, for you are only human.
>
> > Your existence in this World is indicative of the presence of God,
> the> Almighty Creator. God neither manifests nor talks to normal
> citizens of> the World. One has to realize God before one can develop
> the inherent> capability to establish contact with the Creator.
>
> This is a proud and elitist position to take. Are you attempting to
> establish yourself as a guru or world saviour? There is no special
> quality a person has to have to make contact with the Creator. The
> Creator is in contact with and embodies us infinitely and
> ominpresently right now at this very instant.
>
> Your preaching of this concept of separation, that we must
> be "better" in some way to make contact, promotes hopelessness and
> isolation...not the words of a god realized person in my humble
> opinion. This is the 'party propaganda line' of all the world's major
> religions. You are only regurgiating religious myths of control.
>
> If this is how you experience realizing the Creator, I propose you
> haven't realized god yet but only your own religious projections and
> fetishes and have made them sacraments. Very dangerous. That is how
> wars and conflict start. (Your projections are being validated by
> your visions. Amazing how our subconscious mind works in it's
> programming).
>
> Too bad your myth of being god realized (rather than Self-Realized)
> is such a seductive trap. It gives you too much ego stroking so it is
> difficult to drop those chains that bind you. One can only realize
> their projections which arise from one's internal beliefs and ideas
> of god. Your and your god and world view projections are very
> paternal and patriarchal. There is another step beyond that.
> Hopefully, you will open your eyes to the Light that flares Within.
>
> > The Saint replied - even as a lowly insect the scorpion is not
> willing> to forego its inherent nature (of biting then how can I ...
> a human> being (the highest in the manifestation on Mother Earth)
> forego my habit> of saving the one in need!!!
> >
> > This lesson in compassion is the foremost I have found anywhere in
> any> Scripture on Mother Earth till date. It was greatly instrumental
> in> controlling my wanton desires and ego while traveling on the path
> of> self-realization.
>
> It depends on how you look at this lesson. I see it as a lesson in
> ignorance and silliness in interfering with the lives of others. It
> shows that even Saints have no common sense and can reap the
> consequences. It violates the concept of free will. It is also very
> discourteous and silly to save someone without their permission.
>
> It also is a picture of one of the oldest human psychological
> pathologies on this planet called in contemporary terms, codepedency.
> Other times we would call it being a busybody, a fixer, a martyr, a
> rescuer...a saviour.It is a dance that has no ending, no winners, no
> empowerment for the players and leaves bitterness in their mouths.
>
> The triad of players in this codependence is rescuer, victim,
> attacker. What a drama that can be created out of this triumvirate.
>
> Your ego has not been controlled, it only has become refined and
> sophisticated in hiding it's presence. LOL! And your desires are
> even more subtle that you don't see them but are quite flagrantly
> evident to a lot of us here on the k list.
>
> Yes, this is a kundalini list dedicated to discussing the nature of
> kundalini. Fortunately, people like you show up now and then to show
> one of the most amazing things to see in kundalini manifestation,
> kundalini psychosis...the belief that one is specially appointed to
> become a saviour/leader in the world and has special, inside
> information to collaborate these claims.
>
> Don't worry. It is a common phase in kundalini rising. It passes if
> you don't become attached to it and you will become normal again. We
> almost all go through this phase in one degree of intensity or
> another. You are loved by us no matter where you are in your phases
> of growth with Kundalini.
>
> I suggest you read the book, "If You Meet Buddha on the Road, Kill
> Him."
>
> Blessings,
> Susan
>
> PS. Being Self realized is a myth too. One can only be what they be.
>
>
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