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Recieved: 2001/07/11 05:18
Subject: [K-list] sculptors essay
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2001/07/11 05:18, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 03:36 PM 7/10/01, sculptorATnospamyahoo.com wrote:
>hi
>
>i just want to say we can help each other go somewhere in life and
>not just talk to show our intelectual skills or if we don´t like a
>person´s face we just don´t pay attention and say just another nut
>case that crossed my perfect judgement.
Who is saying this.. you, I guess coz nobody else commented on christos
face, except to say that long haired bearded guys who loom like the shroud
of Turin are not scarce.
>should´t we be more humble and don´t brag about powers that we don´t
>have and experiences that we don´t know about but pretend we have
>just to impress the need for others to be in our domain,
Are you speaking for yourself? Coz you sure do not speak for me!
>wich i think
>to be the case of some people in this list,
Some people.. like.. you?
>don´t just deny what you
>think to be a nut case
No problem there.. I call 'em like I see them.
>because someday it will happen to you
Ah, you are speaking for yourself.
>and will
>hapen to you.
It will happen twice?
> what i wanted with this discussion is the consciness
>that anybody can experience, wich is the conscieness of christ,
Yup.. this is truth..and there is no need to dress like him to make it
so!
> and
>that´s because there are many people that say they are christ or god,
>because they reached a state of mind that people who live in normal
>day to day job or the game as some call it, don´t understand.
But, dear one... some of us do understand.. why is that hard for you to
believe? Just because we also have a sense of humor?
>that´s why i was so interested in you opinion.'
Well, you got it. :)
>i´m not preaching nothing, but
Here comes the preaching...:)
>be your most pure self and don´t judge
>nobody for anything and if he wins the world be grateful that he
>isn´t another moron
Sigh.. another stupid moron like that other guy who you judged as a
stupid moron?
>that takes away our money and makes us play this
>infernal stupid game 9 to 5 or more in 3 world countries
Nobody makes you do anything. If you don't like your job, then find
another one. Complaining about it on a list won't help anything.
>and the
>sistem game let´s us have an orgasm to makes us smile
OK..
>and called the
>perfect world fot 5 minutes or for 4 or 5 hours if you are in to that
>so called sofisticated man that practices the new so called miracle
>sex or tantric sex, well the world gives us illusions and it gives us
>the ones that we like that´s why i say sex and mundane pleasures are
>a candy that keeps us prisioners in a world of desire.
Ah.. and you think it is better to be a prisoner in a world of
judgments and unhappiness, in a job you hate? Sex is only one type of
desire.. and it must be a blessed one, because it is where we all come from!
There are other types of desires you could rein in.. like the desire to
preach, the desire to judge what other people do, the desire to write long
ranting emails..
>people that
>like this world are poor people in imagination at least
Speaking for yourself, again?
>and i´m not
>just thinking about people in phisical misery, but in psychological
>terms as wells in the modern cities today.
You live in a city and you are miserable? Why not just say so? Why try
to make some grand sweeping statement about it? If it is true for you, then
own it as your personal truth!
I live in a city and I am happy here! So are a lot of other people I
know..
>it often comes to mind the noah´s time, when everybody laught and
>called him stupid man, oh you stupid man, came with us and have fun,
>just eat,drink & have sex that´s what life´s about, and then came
>death and said ehheheheheh, you fall for the illusion. so what can we
>take from this is that perseverance in truth pays.
Oh gosh.. that is the oldest guilt manipulative game. Another version
is, "Just wait till your father gets home", or "fear of armageddon".. or,
the whole load of propaganda that is the Catholic church. Making hostage
threats against your immortal soul, that can never be harmed by anything
you could do on this Earth, to control you through fear.
Do you really believe that, sculptor? That if you enjoy yourself then
you must suffer for it later? No wonder you are miserable! Do you really
think unconditional love needs to play that kind of B.S. petty power games
with creation?
Ya know, all over the planet survivalists.. modern day Noahs are
stocking up on guns and ammunition and food, training themselves to kill
and building bomb shelters and barbed wire fences because they believe some
other kind of flood or disaster will come and they want to make sure of
their own asses. Do you think that is truly a christlike attitude?
>--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., Mystress Angelique Serpent
><mystressATnospamf...> wrote:
> > Why do you feel the need to make a challenge?
>
>i just want to tease you, make the list talk. :)
Ah.. so you want to manipulate the list to make it behave as you would
like.. are we your personal psychology experiment?
> > >how should crhist dress if he came to earth?
> >
> > Well, last time he showed up, he dressed in the fashions of the
>times..
> > so it is a pretty good guess that he would this time, too. That he
>would
> > walk around in a robe and a crown of thorns is a bizarre idea!
>
>well the man says god told him to dress that way because it´s
>simbolic and in the bible talks of that kind of cloth in revelation.
Ah so.. Well, I believe Revelations is symbolic of the awakening
process of the individual.. wheels, chakras, fiery serpents and the death
of the ego. Like most visions, it is in a symbolic language and it is silly
to take it literally.
For that matter, people have been taking it literally for a few
thousand years.. even in Christ's time, it was thought that the end of the
world was imminent.. yet the planet keeps on spinning round.
>what i was saying is that don´t forget about the father
Are you reminding yourself?
>i know there´s a mother, because i´ve seen it and i drunked all that
>poisoned water called love
Ah so.. so the world sucks and love is a poison.. and you think we
should adopt your world view? Why? It does not seem to have done you a bit
of good.
> > Oh, probably..:)
>
>i din´t meant that in a offensive way but to compare people´s way of
>seeing the world, that doesn´t make them crazy.
I may be crazy.. I stopped worrying about it years ago.
However, Kundalini psychosis does have several classic symptoms, and
believing you are Christ reincarnated and trying to "save" the world is #1
on the list. If you go to any mental institution you will find several
people claiming to be Christ.. and they are Christ.. the punch line is, SO
ARE WE ALL!! Some people just don't know it.. and that is OK too.
> > >if she beliefs in something does this makes her what she
> > >says, then the same what she says about Inri applies to her or
> > >whatever person in this list that talks but don´t practice.
> >
> > Practice, practice, practice.. seems like that is all I
>do.. :)
>
>well you are not the list and not all the people that seem to have an
>opinion on everything, including subjects that they don´t understand.
How do you know that they don't understand it? Just because they have a
sense of humor? Seems like you are not really listening to anybody.. you
are too busy spewing judgments.
>ejaculation takes your energy away and kundalini doesn´t go up and
>melt all the blocks or traumas of your mind.
No, not necessarily.. especially not for women, we get empowered by
orgasm. Men can be empowered by orgasm too, if they offer their pleasure as
a gift to Goddess, with an attitude of gratitude for the gift of life, and
the joy of having a body that can feel pleasure. What you put out comes
back multiplied, and sexuality can be wonderfully empowering.
> > We never left Eden.. it just looks like it because the apple
>is some
> > kind of trip!
>
>we left eden when we tasted sex and then we lost the notion of
>kundalini arouse and went lost in the world making sex our false
>eden, now we are trying to go there again after the boom of sexual
>experiences and emptyness.
Bullshit. Who is this "We" business, oh person who claims not to preach???
Quite frankly. Who is filling your head with these notions?
If not for sex, you would not be on this planet making judgments about
what will arouse your kundalini! Sex is where we all come from, the act of
pleasure and unity that is also the way to make a new human being.. how can
it not be sacred?? Silly idea!
God gave you a body that is capable of feeling the bliss of sexual
pleasure.. and is hardwired to want to, as often as possible, fueled by the
most powerful drives we have. Do you think God got it wrong? That God
messed up when God gave you desire and love and sexual bliss? Or do you
think the devil is so much stronger than God that he could mess with what
God intended? That would be a pretty wimpy god, wouldn't it?
It is not written in the bible that there was no sex in Eden..in fact,
in the original genesis, the Hebrew version, Eve was Adam's second wife..
his first wife was Lilith, and God allowed a divorce coz Adam complained
that Lilith wanted to be on top! The humans were boinking away in Eden long
before the snake came along.. What makes you think there is no sex in Eden?
Ya know what? I used to be a professional dominatrix, and I had to quit
because my sessions.. torturing and humiliating men for pleasure and money,
was causing kundalini awakening!! Sheesh, the kinkiest kind of sex, and
Goddess used it to awaken people!! LOL!! Who told you sex is bad and
wrong? Why did you believe them, when your own body tells you that sex is
good? God made your body, don't ya think the Father knew what he was doing?
Or do you think you are smarter than God? That is hardly a humble attitude!
> > >and i say: if anybody in this list have no sin then throw the rock
> >
> > You seem to be throwing rocks, oh sinless one.. bent out of
>shape
>
>i have sins but i reject the material world
God gave you a material world.. so is not rejecting a Gift of God, a
sin? A wise woman said, a problem is just a gift you haven't found a use
for, yet.
>and i don´t want to throw
>rocks
then stop!
>but warn about the way people judge others by an image or dress
But that is what you do.. you judge people for their sense of humor,
their desires, their attitudes..
>like or by the sins that he commited. just open the heart and forgive
Good.. so, when do you plan to start?
>youself first.
Forgive yourself for having a horny body.. and then embrace it with love!
> > because we would not accept your "Savior"? Why is it so important
>to you?
>
>it´s not that he is so important, it´s because people
People?? Who are these people,. these "we" people you keep talking
about? Who named you speaker for the planet? Speak for yourself, about
yourself.
I challenge you to do that. I think, if you did that for just one day,
one week you would discover a lot!
>expect a
>glorious crist
No. Christ-energy is within us all, it is the power of the heart chakra.
>that has power to defeat satan
No. I don't believe in Satan, he is a shadow puppet like boogeyman
stories to scare children into behaving. An empty hostage threat against
your immortal soul. Satan does not exist, except if you are really intent
to believe it, then an angel will put on a red suit and horns just to give
you what you want... but it won' stop being an angel.
>and his people, but
>that it´s just not going to happen.
How do you know what is going to happen, are you an anointed prophet?
did God tell you personally?
> because this is not the promissed
>world
Ah so.. no, it is the given world.. no empty promises! God delivers!
You get what you pray for..
>and we are not going to live here after judgment day, this
Ah so.. and can you give us a date for judgment day, oh prophet?
>planet is a simbolic dimension place that is transformed after we
>reach that state of mind called eden.
Well, actually.. that planet stays just the same.. it is Eden, and
always has been. Only your perceptions change, so that Eden is revealed to
you.. and as a resident of Eden, I can give you a tip for the journey: only
one who is without fear, can make it past the Angel with the fiery sword.
Fear of judgment day, fear of death, fear of Satan, sin or sex is a no-go.
Do not pass, do not collect Grace or wings.
You have a lot of fear, a lot of judgments.. so does your Christo
buddy.. and he cannot possibly be in Eden if he is still seeing a world
that needs to be saved, still fearing death and judgment.. for himself, or
for anyone. Any kind of fear, gets you booted. Not sex.. fear!
If you really want to get to Eden, that is the price of the ticket..
all of your fears. Your personal fears, your fears for other people,
everything. No getting past that Angel, otherwise. Them's the rules. Even
if you do get to Eden, the moment you start to fear you get booted. That's
what got Adam and Eve booted.. they started to fear being naked, and
covered themselves.. they were afraid God would be mad at them for sneaking
an apple.. The apple only gave them free will, to choose to see love or
fear.. they chose to believe in fear so out they had to go! You must use
your free will to choose to see love.. even to see the love that is radiant
behind all the jokes about christos.. it is there.. you cannot see it.
> angels just come here to warn
>humans or fallen angels about the prison they are in, then they die.
Warning=fear.. no go for Eden. Angels are not into spreading fear. That
must have been some other kind of messenger.. a human, probably.. telling
stories.
> > >and i say more: if anybody in this list knows of eden state of
>mind,
> > >then he or she can talk about the sins of others or the Kundalini
> > >psychosis of others
> >
> > I know it. Do you know it?
>
>well if you know, it then you are capable of making miracles and heal
>the sick and humble of spirit.
Yup.. if it is as Goddess Wills. If the individual will allow it..
happens all the time. By the fruits are they known, so they say..
Faith is the mustard seed. You do not have faith in me, so.. I guess
you are out of luck. Actually, if you had faith in God instead of making
all these judgments about how God got it wrong when designing you a body
built for sex, then you could do it too. I do not really claim
responsibility for the miracles.. that would not be humble, would it?
<wink>. It is just how the deal works. I have faith and if I get together
with someone else who has faith, then where 2 or more are gathered in love
Goddess is there and She does the miracle working.>i keep myself out of the discussion since i don´t claim i jesus or
>xaman or whatever, just a simple yogi monk with anger for knowledge.
anger for knowledge.. now that is a revealing typo! You do have a lot
of anger.. which is a kind of fear.. better dump it and get some more
faith, if Eden is your goal. If it is not, that is fine! God won't judge
you, heaven is open to all, after death.. it is attaining Eden, in life
that is the tricky bit.
>because he
who:?
>came to warn the world of his end as we know it
the end of the world has been predicted for 2000 years! Over and over,
some wanna be prophet claims to know when it will occur, and gets people
all stirred up with his promoting fear.. yet the world is still here!!
>and the
>way of life as we know it,
there is that "We" thing again.. What I know of the world is obviously
very different from the doom and gloomy world you live in.. why not just
speak for yourself? You do not speak for me, I really doubt you speak for
anybody, especially on this list!
>he is comming to give wings to the angels
Angels don't have wings, people do. Wings spring from the fully opened
heart chakra. We could take a poll, of how many people here can feel their
wings... wings are part of the energy body, not physical.. but lovely, none
the less..
>and separate the people of god from the people of satan
There is no Satan. God-dess made us all..
>and above all
>say that the roman church and the pope are the prostitute and satan
>followers.
No judgments there, eh? LOL!! Really, you are not such a humble monk
after all..
>Well,
> > every small town preacher does the same thing, and all the Spanish
> > Inquisition.. so are they all in Eden?
> > Gotcha! :)
>
>don´´t compare the incomparable
Don't try to tell me what to do. They are not at all incomparable.
>i don´t preach i just open my heart and he talks
then you have an entity in your heart and I suggest you use the entity
clearing I posted in the files section of the list site at yahoo and get it
out of there before you persuade anybody else to believe in fear based crap
that will keep them out of Eden.
>this guy his an iconoclast and a sick man seeking a way to have sex
>with young girls that some believe he is christ and want to make love
>to him.
You are truly warped with hatred.. Goddess have mercy on you.
>yes, but they
We? They? Speak for youself.
>just watched the pictures, because they thinked it was
>comics. well i say just because the man has a stupid face doesn´t
>make him stupid.
you think he has a stupid face? That is interesting..
>that´s the problem with society in our days, it
>judges people on how they look and not, what they´re ideias e
>fellings are.
Maybe the "problem" is that you judge society instead of loving it
unconditionally.
>ehehheh, you not even talked to him yet.
>let me say that i wouldn´t be in your hands in a spiritual crisis or
>psicological advice. you judge at a distance.
There is no distance.. my empathy knows no barriers of space and time.
You have no faith in me, in yourself or in the God you claim to serve, so I
cannot help you.. but I would not have spent an hour writing this, if I did
not have the compassion to want to try to reach out to you.
>i´m not expecting kisses from you, but it would be nice to see you be
>gentle once in a while
I think, you need to try some gentleness yourself. You are not gentle
with the list, with yourself or with me. You are not gentle towards
society.. or even towards the Christos whom you recommend.. you think he
has a stupid face. If you want gentleness, then be gentle.
I know people have been awakened through being bound and tortured, and
humiliated into being humble, at my hands.. and that is Truth, and I don't
care if you believe it. Goddess moves through me whether I am gentle or
harsh. I am being gentle, with you.. because I have compassion for you..
but not too gentle, because I see that is not what gets your attention.. :)
You focus on misery and pain and what you think is sinful. So, you cannot
see Eden even when it is before your eyes.. you cannot know the Christ
within your own heart, you are too enamored of the entities of fear that
you allow to live there.
Goddess have mercy on you. Blessings!
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