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Recieved: 2001/07/02 13:33
Subject: [K-list] Re: The carrot for the perrot
From: Nina
On 2001/07/02 13:33, Nina posted thus to the K-list:
Perhaps we should come up with a new term: benointed... as in
annointed, though in this case, it would describe what happens to a
person upon the reading of a Benoit post. Used in a sentence, one
might say: "Yikes! I have been benointed!" At which point, one would
drop into a deep state of ecstasy and pass blissfully away. Forget
the stick, beat me with the carrot!
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamy..., "www.siiya.net / prod. musique &
multimedia web" <siiyaATnospamv...> wrote:
> but I also know that if I jump from a 400 feet building I will
crash in
> an ugly blood and flesh mess as anybody else...
Actually, I have jumped from some fairly high places, though never
over 20,000 ft, and have never found myself a bloody mess. Perhaps
our material realities are different. By the way, the faaaalling is
lovely. The earth comes up to meet you. How nice.
> Why do theese physical realities are not as malleable as
> spiritual-psychological ones?
You know, I'm not convinced physical realities aren't malleable.
> Can we suppose that in the raw situation of my body crashing on the
> ground there can only be one reality, but that in the kundalini
> dimension each one as the liberty to choose the one at its own
taste?
> And feel free to guide those who are not as strong mentally as them
into
> their mental fabrication?
Hmm... who is choosing? When it comes to consciousness, who can
qualify it?
By the way, a leader may only lead those who are willing to be led.
> So here is my experience:
>
<snip>
> It ended abruptly when I broke the seal of something, very tangible
and
> strong, so strong I had to be shipped at an hospital...
repeatedly...
> in very bad states...
>
> There was a reservoir of buried emotions in my reality, but I denied
> it. So I did not see the warnings. So I broke the sceal.
Is this such an awful thing in the end?
<snip>
> When you think you are something, but you are faced with who you
really
> are, completely different thing, so powerful that the distress is
> indescriptible... You come to know a bit of what humility is...
and I
> stoped spreading my stupid rational ego-ideas-masturbation on
anyone.
Make it so...
> Now I prefer to talk about my being and my experiences. Ideas are
what
> they are... issued from the same world as fantasies. They make you
> think you have a grip... and you really have! ...but just on the
> reality of this world of fantasy... It does'nt change the 400 feet
> building reality.
Pardon me, but as long as I am required to produce and evaluate ideas
as part of my bill-paying living, I will not send them into a
hellhole for existing. Ideas are ideas. They stem from this body just
as any fart or belch or giggle or tear or ecstatic ripple or fear-
laden release. They aren't necessarily mine... but I can work with
them. Humility aside, I'm pretty good at it when I wish to be. Does
having "an idea" forfeit all else? Don't think so...
Fantasy? Has it ever occurred to anyone on this list that we're all
delusional? Suffering from the ultimate fantasy of thinking we could
possibly understand anything? And then presume to put it out there as
(oh golly) GOD GIVEN TRUTH for others to consume or take into
themselves at the risk of... losing themselves to it?
Kundalini... yeeeeeeeeees... another delusion? Buy into it or feel
utterly disconnected from everything and completely
purposefullessness!
> Who I really am is not a product of my fantasies. It has a deep
link
> with the history of living on this earth.
>
> about 300 millions years of fighting for survival, <SNIP> sometimes
well adapted and successfull,
> sometimes a disaster.
Ja voll... though, there are shadings to the patterns of survival of
the fittest that fall into the category of your ideafantasies that
would certainly inform who you are. How do you know the truth?
> Hey... maybe there is a fantasy island at the end of the road, but
I
> live NOW. Surprinsingly, the more I meditate and let the energy
flow
> like it want to, not as I want it to, the more I am in the present
> moment. I feel I'm living an adventure, not a stupid fixed ecstasy.
Wow, Benoit, it's a good thing that Kundalini madness wipes out all
social contract requirements, because in the material world, that
little jab might actually be considered... rude. hehe...
> Ecstasy is for me the projection of my own soul's desire for death.
This I would really like to know more about... though... if you were
to share it with me, would this be putting ideas into my head?
> People looking for ecstasy are people wanting to kill the energy
and put
> it back in the reservoir, out of reach.
Again... explanations? elaborations?
> I need less the carrot on a stick infront of me to move.
>
> I suggest a discussion here... Why do the universal life force
created
> this reality of millions of years of very crude stuff for us to live
> within? Can you connect with this reality without disgust?
Ummm, disgust? pleasure? How different are they? Not so different...
so, yes, and no... Disgust is quite pleasurable... yes, I am very
sure of this... oh, excuse me... slipping into ecstasy... hehe...
contemplating pleasurable disgust and disgusting pleasure...
Are you suggesting the universal life force created this reality for
us to live within? I kind of think (waiting for my lashes) I'm just a
little carbunkle along for the ride...
> Disgust is a symptom that the reservoir is there, and that you are
> puting a lot of energies to keep it out there.
Huh?
> For me now it is the most dangerous way to live.
Danger? There is no danger... or, everything is dangerous. Living is
dangerous.
Nina
> "LOVE"
Curious.
> Benoit
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