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Recieved: 2001/06/15 05:09
Subject: [K-list] eating, picking apart, casting the spell
From: Murrkis
On 2001/06/15 05:09, Murrkis posted thus to the K-list:
Ok, just to be clear with myself on several strains of cannibalism:
1. Eating of one's own (inside the 'tribe'), the culturonatural way of
weeding the weak.
2. Eating of one's unown (outside the 'tribe'), the culturonatural way of
weeding the opposition.
3. Multiply the above two by the two aspects of physical and psychical.
Naja, could it be said that any eating is cannibalism of some form, given
the interconnected web? That we are all our own? Consuming ourselves to
fuel regeneration... brings to mind the phrase "highest good for all"...
Interesting twist on the word: the form 'cannabilze' is used to describe a
process of removing serviceable parts from, for instance, damaged vehicles,
for use in the repair of other equipment of the same kind.
Reminds me of the drinking of liver blood to convey the power of the
previous "ownder" of the liver to the new "owner".
Reminds me of the picking apart of others to realize one's own parts.
Barg wrote:
>The way I understood cannibalism, it wasn't a malicious kind of thing.
>Cannibals consumed their enemies hearts, etc., because they believed they
>would take on the strength of the enemy by doing so, that kind of thing.
Susan wrote:
>Well, I have seen alot of examples of humans eating their own kind
>and shooting their wounded.
>
>Does it matter it is not physical flesh?
>
>Crutchfield-Jakob's disease, mad human disease, comes from people
>eating human brains.
Thinking of how overcrowding prompts psychotic behaviors (dis-ease) that
disappear once the overcrowding is resolved through psychotic acts.
Susan wrote:
>Depends on the culturation what is called food...and are we hungry
>enough. Cannibalism can be called ritual terrorism.
Fascinating! This bit about ritual terrorism. Terrorism, the instilling of
fear. Terrorism, violence committed for the sake of political purposes.
Ritual, custom, regular, prescribed form, a system of ceremony, rite.
Thinking that our bioenergetic systems are geared for ritual.
Is it terrorism if it is part of the regenerative process? Is the answer
perspective based? That overwhelming fear, terror, may exist... but that
the terrorism, doesn't? Is terrorism the intent? I don't think so... I
think it is a byproduct?
What is the intent of a body bound in the ritual of regeneration?
Susan:
>It's nature to eat the wounded and weak...survival of the
>fittest...culling the herd. A lot of animal parents will eat their
>newborns. And adult animals will eat the young of others of their
>species...the male crocodile for example. Only the strong and smart
>survive. It makes for a vigorous gene pool.
Thinking about this in terms of intent. Unconscious intent? Could it be
that there is a layer beneath the individual unconscious where collective
intent is located?
Thinking about how an individual would not necessarily act on the intent of
culling the herd if they followed it any amount of distance along the
projection into the future. Odds are, the line of that individual will not
survive. Soooo...
This introduces another element of the culturonatural picture... survival
based on contract. Don't kill me, I won't kill you. Turning it around, you
see that it is another form of survival of the fittest. The contract is
essentially a contract that creates a 'tribe', within which the members
aren't 'eaten'... though outside of which, all is fair 'game'.
Take it to another level... those outside of the tribe that are seen as
serving the longevity of the tribe (domesticated animals, for instance) are
propagated and protected along with the tribe... perhaps eaten, but in a
very controlled way... do not eat it if it serves the tribe <-- Rule #1
And beneath this, still, that collective intent, churning away, quietly,
while the individual intent believes it is all there is?
Barg:
>Have also been thinking that anthropology tracks mostly physical evolution.
>But I feel our species is going thru a tremendous social, intellectual and
>emotional evolution these last 200 years, and I think that's one thing the
>"new world" has facilitated greatly, in it's own chaotic way.
It seems change is constant, but informed by crisis points. The Big Bang,
the death of the dinosaurs, the (not so sudden?) disappearance of glaciers,
even civil unrest and disease. Crisis points come and go, species come and
go. The undercurrent is the process.
Barg:
>Also, my rambling about nature will survive no matter what humans do, didn't
>mean I think we should ignore the stupid mistakes "other" humans are making
>with the environment, etc. As much as I thumb my nose at this species I
>apparantly hail from, I'm also kinda fond of em. Would hate to see them go
>the way of dinosaurs so soon in our slow development.
On that note, I leave you with a fabulously smart hook of a first paragraph
of a book called The Spell of the Sensuous by David Abram. The book is a
call to recognize the need for continued reciprocity with that which is
other, not human or of human creation... the premise: "that we are human
only in contact, and conviviality, with what is not human."
First time in a long time I have been utterly drawn into a book based on
the first few phrases. (If you know my writing, you'll see why... hehe...
another mirror.) Enjoy...
Nina
---
(From the Preface)
Humans are tuned for relationship. The eyes, the skin, the tongue, ears,
and nostrils - all are gates where our body receives the nourishment of
otherness. This landscape of shadowed voices, these feathered bodies and
antlers and tumbling streams - these breathing shapes are our family, the
beings with whom we are engaged, with whom we struggle and suffer and
celebrate. For the largest part of our species' existence, humans have
negotiated relationships with every aspect of the sensuous surroundings,
exchanging possibilities with every flapping form, with each textured
surface and shivering entity that we happened to focus upon. All could
speak, articulating in gesture and whistle and sigh a shifting web of
meanings that we felt on our skin or inhaled through our nostrils or
focused with our listening ears, and to which we replied - whether with
sounds, or thorugh movements, or minute shifts of mood. The color of the
sky, the rush of waves - every aspect of the earthly sensuous could draw us
into a relationship fed with curiosity and spiced with danger. Every sound
was a voice, every scrape of blunder was a meeting - with Thunder, with
Oak, with Dragonfly. And from these relationships our collective
sensibilities were nourished.
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