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Recieved: 2001/05/16 02:56
Subject: [K-list] Re: initiations, reiki and vipassana
From: Danijel Turina
On 2001/05/16 02:56, Danijel Turina posted thus to the K-list:
Hiya all :)
No, I didn't die, I just never have the time to read the list. The digests
just pile up and I never read them. :)
I was writing, publishing my book, writing the next one etc... if you don't
mind reading from the screen, it's http://www.danijel.org/misc/Book.pdf ,
the others can find the printed thing on Amazon. Pleasant reading. :)
Now, what do we have here... :))
> From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mystressATnospamfire-serpent.com>
Hello Darling, smee again. ;) Mr. Pain van der Ass, at Thy bidding. ;)
>Subject: Re: initiations, reiki and vipassana
>
>At 01:45 PM 5/15/01, Laura wrote:
>>I tried to find out why this would be the case, besides understanding the
>>distinction between sitting with what is and channeling energy...like could
>>there be a disharmony between reiki and vipassana, some good reason why
>>reiki would thwart one's path of equanimity?
>
> Hmm.. yeah, I can see where he is coming from, but his attitude
>contradicts his intentions. Strictly speaking, any action to "heal", comes
>from a judgment of Free Will,
:) But, the free will, also, _is_. :) Without free will, you couldn't
choose to surrender. You couldn't even choose to chop wood and carry water.
I guess I still agree with you, tho, since you seem to be saying that God's
a bit smarter than us and if we just stop making his life difficuld by
meddling, he'd take care of us the best way possible. I'm saying the same
thing and I wrote a book about it so that I could whack people on the head
with it, so that they don't forget.
However, it's a game of choice. Mostly, people wouldn't agree with God's
estimate on what's right, and they'd offer to improve. So now we have an
improved world. The atmosphere is improved with more CO2 and pollutants,
the ground is improved with pesticides and the seas are improved with
nuclear waste. We're also improving life on Earth, introducing improved
mice with cancer genes. Soon, we'll start improving ourselves and wow, what
an improved future it will be. :)
> If you want to be picky, vipasanna is action of deliberate mediation,
>which is not the same as surrendering to the flow of life, "chop wood,
>carry water".. to see the Buddha nature in daily life and not separate from
>any "spiritual" activity.
Well, true, but don't forget that he wasn't born knowing it all, he had to
work on it a bit, and the process seems to be useful if you need to be
reminded of the goal. The qualities of the goal have to manifest gradually
in order for us to get used to it. I'm a moron and I'd probably incinerate
students by shaktipat, because I tend to make available everything that I
am. However, someone with a brain seems to be in charge, and so people get
exactly what they're ready for, nothing more. This somethimes means that
they get nothing, however, and then, being a moron, I get depressed coz I
didn't get the chance to burn them to ashes with the juice and thus
strengthen my ego. :)
> Personally, I have had the Reiki symbols removed from my chakras.. They
>are tainted by human "good intentions" and have some very human limiting
>beliefs coded into them that work fine in the lower chakra universes, but
>show up as fear and lack of faith, in the higher chakras. Most "good
>intentions" are like that. Road to Hell, when you look into their duality
>to find where the fear is hidden. Simply vowing not to use Reiki anymore,
>would not clear the implants that come of initiation.
I guess that Domchi would get a great piece of satisfaction from this post
of yours, since he got flamed the last time, when he said that Reiki is a
pathetic piece of meddling with lower prana. :)
> I trust Goddess designed my energy body to work perfectly without any
>need for human designed implants of any sort. I prefer to leave my energy
>as free flowing and unstructured as possible, so it can be whatever Goddess
>Wills, in the moment.
Of course. However, although it doesn't need improving, it also doesn't
need to be fucked up with all the stuff that we do in order to reduce our
concept of ourselves to mere pieces of meat surrounded by a carnivore
universe. :)
> I'm not extreme about it, on the physical level I do have contact
>lenses and fillings in my teeth. Moderation in all things.
:) Yes, mother Nature can be a B*tch sometimes. If you can't find her
clitoris. Then she seems to become very friendly. :))
> The 1st degree Reiki symbols showed up in shower tantra meditation one
>day as black marks on my chakras and my first impulse was to clear them,
>before I even recognised what they were.
Hmm, so that's how they work. Yuck. To me, reiki feels like a combination
of astral masturbation and pathetically executed energy work. But, it sure
beats joining the Hare Krishnas. :)
>They would not clear, so after
>contemplating why for a while, I was guided to reconnect with the woman who
>initiated me 2nd degree.
:) So, you picked another torn in order to pull out the first one, eh? ;)
> She had offered to do so, for free because she was interested in how my
>energy flowed... why my Shakti is so powerful. I could see no harm in it,
>so I accepted on the condition that when she initiated me, she followed the
>guidance of my Higher Self. As a result she received a gift from my Higher
>Self, of an entirely new system of "Reiki", that she called "Inner Sun"
>because it works with the Tummo fire.
> Who initiated who? I felt no difference from the initiation.
:)))
> I reconnected with her, asking her how to clear the 1st degree symbols,
>and because I felt that the benefit in her initiating me into Mastery would
>be to give her the next level of the new system. The result: she got a ton
>of new insights into the system she had gotten from my higher self the
>first time, so much that she is completely rewriting all of her manuals,
>and does not even call the system Reiki anymore. It is not Reiki. It uses
>no symbols at all.. She repaid me by clearing the ugly black 1st degree
>symbols from my chakras, melting them with the Tummo fire. Clear light and
>Kundalini heat.
It's only fair of her to return you to your original state. :)))
How the hell does she manage to have influence on your system, when you
gave her the ability to use the bloody energy for it in the first place??
Oh well, if you did clear it yourself she wouldn't have learned the "new
and improved reiki", so I guess it's just a strange way to initiate a
"reiki master". :)
> The disrespectful student has shot himself in the foot, as he is
>promoting an incomplete system and neither of us will take him to the next
>level unless he cleans up his act and shows proper respect.
Serves him well. :)
> I really did not notice any difference in my energy from any of the
>Reiki or Inner Sun initiations. They were all quite un-necessary for me,
>except in how they served others. The first degree I had accepted in barter
>from an Usui Reiki Master who could not afford my professional services. I
>think he got the better part of the deal but no worries.
I guess so. :) Don't let this guy wash your dishes, tho. ;)
> I did get intense results from my initiations as a Pagan high
>Priestess. Once a Witch, always a Witch.
Witch my ass. Show me a witch that teaches surrender to God, and not some
sort of free will meddling trying to improve the world. You just needed a
label for yourself in order to have a sense of belonging. You also liked
the energy work and this stuff gave you the aliby. You, yourself told me
that other witches that you know are a bunch of limited folks with strange
explanations for what you manage to do. C'mon.
> On a general sense, despite what the common "New Age" intentions call
>for, channelling energy to another person is always a form of action that
>can be seen as a lack of faith on a higher chakra level. That does not mean
>it is wrong, but how it will feed back to you depends on where you are at,
>and whether the gift is consensual.
I just show it to them, and if they recognize it as their own, they get to
keep it.
> Like the Chinese curse, "May you clear all your karma by next week and
>become enlightened".. too much karma coming up too fast can be a nightmare.
There's much more to karma than this. Every situation that makes you
understand and learn is the result of karma unfolding. The word originally
means "action, activity". By activities we learn, and activities and
experiences are a result of karma, at one hand, and leed to further karma,
as a result of either learning or not. This is a bullshit explanation but
I'm not in a mood for writing a book about it. :)
>channeling the words and charging the page. There is no non consensual
>projection, it is more like a fountain where any who thirst, can come and
>drink their fill. No karmic feedback.. but some nice bonus points for the
>compassionate work.
These bonus points _are_ the karmic feedback. :)
> I went through a period where whenever I said to myself, "It will be as
>Goddess Wills", my heart voice responded "Thou art Goddess."
Yes, well, the end result is supposed to be that, we should, in our
actions, thoughts, entire being etc. embody the Divine, by constantly
choosing the Divine over the illusion. Always the choice. I actually saw
the guys who repeatedly choose the illusion, claiming that they choose God.
Good religious folks they are. Brr, vade retro satanas. :)
>I was
>practicing surrender, and Goddess was handing choice back to me. It was
>very disconcerting as I'd forgotten how to think for myself and didn't care
>for the idea of trying to relearn.
:PPPP :)))
> Some would say it is meddling,
I meddle when I choose to eat instead of dying. So what. We're supposed to
do it. I just hope we won't fuck up too hard. :)
> Well, what an essay.. hope someone finds something useful in it.
Gee, I mean wow, you still can write loooooooong posts, I remember the
those 45k mails, brr, shivers, I'll have a cup of coffee thank you please.
:))
ps. :** :)
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