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Recieved: 2001/05/13 08:30
Subject: Re: [K-list] Perpetuating the Cycle - or NOT
From: missy chicken
On 2001/05/13 08:30, missy chicken posted thus to the K-list:
I know this is a difficult subject for me..... having been victimized.. But
I also KNOW that in todays society "oh i was abused" isnt a good enough
excuse for me!! i know a pedafile personally.... was a good friend of mine
for quite some time online..... He knew he had the urge to have sex with
children... He knew this was wrong so he kept himself as far from children
as possible.... He also had a problem with beastiality. so he stayed away
from animals too.... Now not to say as his solution was a good one.. The
point here isnt about the solution, the point is we all know right from
wrong. it has nothing to do with the grace of god or any other grace....
Pedafiles themselves KNOW how badly it hurt them to have it happen to
them... They also KNOW good and well its wrong. Thats why they have the fear
of getting caught!!!!!
At some point we all have to take responsibility for OUR OWN ACTIONS! Just
because one is abused during childhood DOESNT make it ok to push off blame
when we choose to continue the abuse..
The only true empowerment for victims of abuse is KNOWING it wasnt ok to
happen to me and it isnt ok to happen to anyone! I know that deep down
inside pedafiles truly dont want to hurt anyone.. especially little ones,
they actually love them. So then its time to stand up each and everyone of
them and find the inner courage to say NO MORE!!!!!!
Some are so far gone there really isnt much hope.... wich is seriously
saddening. For most though there is hope! Until they stop hiding and scream
out in there own heads NO MORE ABUSE it wont stop. as vicitms of abuse we
are the only ones truly empowered to stop the cycle and let the hopless ones
filter out... we cant fix them we cant kill them off... we cant force them
to stop there urges... best we can do is make sure the cycle ends with us
and we protect our own from the cycle of others....
WELL! i feel better!!!
missy
>From: Christopher Wynter <lifestreamsATnospambigpond.com>
>To: K-list
>Subject: Re: [K-list] Perpetuating the Cycle - or NOT
>Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:34:52 +1000
>
>Without discounting anything that Cat or anyone else
>has written or experienced on the subject of pedofile ..
>
>without discounting or detracting from the perspectives or beliefs
>which anyone holds as to the solution or otherwise of this problem ...
>
>Cat brings up the subject of repeating the cycle ..
>I wonder ... from people's experience, if you have any idea why we
>have pedofiles in our society. What makes a person a pedofile ..
>
>what was it turned the person .. either male or female into someone
>who perpetuates sexual attacks on young (and not so young children)
>
>If we look at how our childhood has affected us, the stories that are
>shared on this list .. how childhood experiences have so strongly
>influenced everything we do, think and believe, what sort of
>childhood do you think these pedofiles must have had.
>Can you look, for a moment, past the potential prejudice that it is
>only the male who is guilty of sexual offences against young children ..
>
>For, yes, it is the woman whose anger has been raised as she sees
>her children hurt .. and there is a voice for the children against the
>male perpetrator .. ably supported by activism.
>
>Then, there is the hidden statistic .. the female pedofile .. the female
>who perpetuates the cycle against both male and female children ..
>a hidden statistic .. because there is not the support for young children
>..
>particularly males to speak out against this type of abuse ..
>Some of the cases that have had the deepest impact on me have been
>working with not only the victims of incest .. but also the perpetrators ..
>both male and female .. and yes .. I have been involved in successful
>prosecutions of both genders ..
>
>But, then, I have also had the time to sit down and talk at length with
>the perpetrators .. and whilst their actions can, in no way be excused,
>the stories they shared of what happened to them as children
>have cut me even deeper.
>In this so called enlightened society, have you any real idea of the
>atrocities which were committed perhaps as recent as a hundred
>years ago .. and hidden under a code of secrecy and silence ..
>only to surface in the psyche of todays men and women ..?
>I cannot give you a solution .. not one that fits every case .. but I can
>tell you that behind every such crime that I have been involved in,
>there has been hideous abuse in the perpetrators childhood ..
>
>and that, unless this is resolved, the pattern will continue, and
>a gaol sentence or whatever will only drive the pain deeper
>underground.
>In the "enlightened" consciousness of this list, instead of apportioning
>blame and reacting from our own filtered perspective, would it not be
>more productive to seek an understanding of why a pedofile becomes ..
>whether it be male or female ..
>
>and, yes, missy .. it is possible to pick these people .. but not from
>empathy .. but from entering their unconscious and reading what
>motivates them .. you should understand what I mean here ..
>Why do you think there are these attacks on not only young children,
>but adults as well ..
>
>Why has the attacker suffered the damage that s/he has ..?
>
>Again .. I see no one simple answer, because there are a number of
>reasons in my experience .. and some people are permanently
>damaged .. for them, there is no hope ..
>
>but for another, if we bother to hear what is tantamount to a desperate
>cry for help, the cycle need not be perpetuated.
>The only difference between you, me, and the perpetrators is that we ..
>most of us have developed a little courage to speak out.
>Maybe now it is also time to speak up ..
> and not perpetuate the cycle
> with an un-enlightened retaliation out of our own angst
> against someone who ..
> except for the "grace of god"
> could be you or I
>
>Christopher Wynter
>
>
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