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Recieved: 2001/05/05 05:07
Subject: Re: On Translating and Interpreting - (was Re: [K-list] I wondering too)
From: llewellyn
On 2001/05/05 05:07, llewellyn posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Pepper,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pepper J. Baxter" <pjdaveybaxterATnospamnctimes.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: On Translating and Interpreting - (was Re: [K-list] I wondering
too)
> Hi llewellyn, What if you sent your essence into the creator of the RgVeda
by
> going into an altered state and merging with that one,...feel and
therefore
> understand first hand? Would that be considered valid? Or even into the
original
> manuscripts maybe. Is that a dumb question. Would you comment anyhow. I
would
> like to really know this. Pepper
>
Well, this gets into the problem of "all of life is an interpretation of
an interpretation". - Once you experience plastic reality and somewhat
incorporate the idea that hologram worlds are possible - then even what we
consider to be rock solid can actually be fluid.
So does that mean that what is fluid is rock solid. IT is (sort of)
like in 'The Matrix' - what if beyond the first level of illusion was just
another and then another - until you realize that all is just some
streaming holodeck on a universal spaceship.
Or another perspective, I tried to bring up in my prior post the
question of how do we validate our own mystic moments. What is our frame
of reference for these things? - Therefore we can only speak
contextually - our brain seems to have this fuzzy logic side and then the
Boolean logic side - kundalini awakening will tend to form bridges across
this gap. Do I necessarily say that fuzzy side is better - they are
different. Should I place greater validity in the fuzzy?
Imagine that we are on the holodeck and find a book on a bookshelf - we
read the book and in the book are symbols of some sort. We learn to
associate these symbols with things and actions and ideas. But who
originated these ideas that we perceive from reading that book? And was
that what was intended. WE interpret based on a set of rules and coding -
that is all. The ideas are our own reflections.
So "computer-end program" - ok you say to the yellow grid wall, 'who
wrote this program - what was the input for the book that I picked up off
the shelf'. Well, computer says this is just an old story passed down and
down and the program creator just said fill the bookshelf with - books.
We tend to place great emphasis on mystic moments. I am sure this is a
hard wired function into our computer brain interfaces. In fact, as a
little synchronicity Newsweek has a cover story "God & the Brain - How We're
Wired for Spirituality".
"For a mystical experience to occur,
Brain regions that orient you in space and
mark the distinction between self and the world
must go quiet"
We have begun to grasp with our scientific logical brains what areas of
the brain are responsible for this to occur.
We should do some thought experiments - play at being writers of science
fiction. There are many possibilities of how this could fit into a greater
reality - and that reality is only in itself only real in that
ramework. - And beyond that way other frameworks all waiting to be
discovered. (multiple levels to the game?)
One short answer is that I do not necessarily believe these mystic
experiences to contain "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth". Perhaps on this side of the veil there is only so much that can be
revealed - It is also possible that the rishis never knew the real intent
of what they voiced and chanted. There is certainly a connectedness a
"spiritual" side of everything - this might only be how we formulate
programming modes and interfaces that we just do not know about.
Many people go through life in a sleepwalker mode - just existing day to
day - perhaps as a priest type group they were given input from some god or
demigod or in Sitchen's world from a few ancient ETs. Then the intent might
only be clear from the 'divine source'.
The point is to examine what I call the basis functions (in
communication theory, the orthogonal set) behind our set of beliefs. Why do
you believe what you believe. I believe that this exercise is essential in
the task of the "I" making of "I" discovering. Do I believe many of the new
age myths - not personally.
But then, I am on my own path. Last night I came across a web page
explaining the effects of a Saturn Neptune conjunction which occurs in my
natal chart. This conjunction forces the multi-dimensioned aspect of
Neptune to be made concrete and real in this existence in this form. This
is just to say that we are all driven by our own programming, whether it be
through DNA, junk DNA, mtDNA, through past lives, through symbol forces that
we have yet to understand the exact interplay and mechanism for - in short
we play out, for all practical purposes, the script that was written for us
or by us. Whether we are just a manifestation on a holodeck program or
whether we as spirits aspire for transcendence and spend life after life
perfecting ourselves or on and on....... My script is one of merging
intuition and science and making concrete that which is ethereal. Your
script will be different - and might run counter to my script - you might
want to dissolve all that is concrete. I do not know how all these things
play out. And I am still trying to figure out how to be me, within/upon
this current grid space.
Can I Merge with the numerous transcribers of the Rg Veda, merge with
the rishis? It is only possible for me to try to merge with myself and
find myself - merge the right brain with the left brain - balance. - It
is the journey - the journey that Redfield prefaces 'The Celestine Prophesy'
with - the journey to discover why we are wired the way we are wired.
Some drop out of the quest and say - it just is - we are all one - it is
just a game - or become captured by a precast bubble with all of the answers
and not daring to go outside of that cocoon. The cocoon satiates the
inherent need of hu-mans to have a belief system. And it stops the quest.
What is the intent of this type of hard wired programming? - Is this a
genetic manipulation or an example of the divineness in all of us?
Why don't I zap myself into the mind of the rishi - because that is not
my nature - meaning I am not programmed to perform that function and that
would not satisfy me, or quench my quest. Nor would i necessarily believe
that holodeck experience any more than any other.
Not a good answer, but it is the answer that came out of me at this
point and time.
Peace and balance,
Llewellyn
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org
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