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Recieved: 2001/05/03 16:39
Subject: Re: [K-list] I was wondering too.
From: Sherman Buck
On 2001/05/03 16:39, Sherman Buck posted thus to the K-list:
very well written karin. very adept, keen, insightful, and invigorating to
my soul. you are a saint in my book, you said what i was trying to say 400%
better.
bravo,
sherman
"The Wizard"
Magical Happenings Inc.,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karin Holtkamp" <frostedsnowflakeATnospamhotmail.com>
To: <K-list >
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [K-list] I wondering too
> You wrote:
> and I wonder ..
> how many people can put these words that they
> quote in their own expression .. so that their
> personal and life experience shows that they
> have a practical embodiment of the words of
> these long dead authors ..
> ======================
> Speaking for myself, I usually do manage to express whatever I have to say
> in my own words but sometimes I am finding that what I want to say has
> already been said and done by someone else several thousand years ago who
> could express him- or herself much better than I ever will be able to. So
> instead of wasting several paragraphs and boring the readers I might then
as
> well just quote them instead.
>
> You wrote:
> lets face
> it, some of these authors died before English was
> invented and spiritual language was defined by the
> Church of Rome
> ================
> Your point being?
>
> You wrote:
> and I wonder
> what sort of preconceptions of the meanings of
> words and language influenced the one who did
> the translating ..
> ==================
> And what about your own preconceptions as a reader?
>
> You wrote:
> and I wonder
> if the one who did the translating could live up to
> what he was translating in his own life ..
> ===================
> And what if the translator couldn't a 100%? Does a translator have to be
a
> saint?
>
> You wrote:
> and I wonder
> whether he lived the life of a recluse, or
> of a renunciate .. or whether he lived as some of
> us live .. in a house in society in the modern world
> with all of the everyday energies of other sentient
> and not so sentient beings milling around ..
> ===================
> Does it matter whether the translator used to live in the woods or whether
> he or she had a family?
>
> You wrote:
> at what inner turmoil so many are using these words
> to cover up ..
> =============
> Huh? Are you implying that if I were to quote some sayings attributed to
> Jesus or the Buddha e.g., I were only trying to cover up my own "inner
> turmoil"?
>
> You wrote:
> and I wonder
> who is the authority in their life ..
> ======================
> Could you please define what exactly you mean by the authority in one's
> life?
>
> You wrote:
> and do they really
> have free will .. and the power of choice
> ================
> I say yes we do. What about yourself Christopher, what do you say?
>
> You wrote:
> and most of all, I wonder
> if someone came to you with a real life gut wrenching
> crisis, would you be able to hear what they are really
> saying from underneath the sobs .. and respond with
> compassion .. or would you react .. either from your
> own unresolved issues .. or from what you have been
> taught you should believe ..
> =====================
> Well, I like to think that I would listen and try to comfort the persons
> despite all the "unresolved issues" I may be carrying around and despite
of
> "what I have been taught I should believe". Or should I wait until I have
> become fully enlightened before showing some compassion for my fellow
> beings?
>
> Wondering myself,
> Karin
>
>
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