To: K-list
Recieved: 2001/05/02 23:12
Subject: Re: [K-list] I wonder
From: Karin H.
On 2001/05/02 23:12, Karin H. posted thus to the K-list:
You wrote:
>There are some very knowledgeable people
>here .. with access to a great range of material
>written by others .. most of whom are long dead.
Well, sometimes what one has to say has already been said and done thousands
of years ago and one may not be able to put it into one's own words as
nicely + precisely as a Jesus or a Buddha. That's where a little quoting
might come in handy...
>
>>how many people can put these words that they
>quote in their own expression .. so that their
>personal and life experience shows that they
>have a practical embodiment of the words of
>these long dead authors ..
Speaking for myself, I usually do manage to put down whatever I have to say
in my own words, but I am not totally opposed to short quotes whenever they
hit the point better than what I could come up with myself. Even if I only
wish I had the full practical embodiment of the words I am quoting, the
words still ring true for me.
>
>and I wonder
>
>what sort of preconceptions of the meanings of
>words and language influenced the one who did
>the translating ..
Well, what kind of preconceptions of the meanings of words do you have
yourself as a reader?
>
>and I wonder
>
>if the one who did the translating could live up to
>what he was translating in his own life ..
And what if he didn't fully? Does this mean that if the translater isn't a
perfect being he isn't allowed to translate the work?
>and I wonder
>
>if he could live up to what he was translating in his
>own life, whether he lived the life of a recluse, or
>of a renunciate .. or whether he lived as some of
>us live .. in a house in society in the modern world
>with all of the everyday energies of other sentient
>and not so sentient beings milling around ..
Does it matter whether the translator lives in the woods or if he or she has
a family?
>
>and I wonder
>
>what the experiences of the real life applications
>of some of this knowledge is to the people who are
>so ready to quote it ..
Maybe they do know or at least have an inkling of the real life applications
of what they're quoting.
>who is the authority in their life .. and do they really
>have free will .. and the power of choice
Could you please define what you mean by authority? Now here's a good
question for you: Do we have free will or not? I say we do. What do you say,
Christopher?
>
>and most of all, I wonder
>
>if someone came to you with a real life gut wrenching
>crisis, would you be able to hear what they are really
>saying from underneath the sobs .. and respond with
>compassion .. or would you react .. either from your
>own unresolved issues .. or from what you have been
>taught you should believe ..
How would I react? Probably listen and try to comfort the person, despite
all the "unresolved issues" I am carrying around and despite all the sfuff
that I "have been taught I should believe". Well, what about yourself? How
would you react? Where are you coming from?
Wondering too
Karin
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