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Recieved: 2001/04/30 04:24
Subject: Re: [K-list] Ramana Maharshi
From: Murrkis
On 2001/04/30 04:24, Murrkis posted thus to the K-list:
Oh, Pepper, words of my heart! I second the questions you ask.
I have wondered a great deal about the abuse of the given body to sit in
enlightened limbo. To what end? Why not death? Though, had that "selfish"
bugger of a begger not come along to take care of that given body, that
certainly would have been the result. Suicide through indifference?
I have been wondering, also, about how the emulation of Ramana Maharshi can
in any way be practical. Anyone who wishes to respond to this question is
invited to give hard evidence direct from their own life. I'm talking about
jobs, family, fights with the spouse. I'm not talking about a review of
what Ramana Maharshi said.
Harsha gently and in a round about way has pointed to the ability to remain
in a state of constant equanimity and awareness of (). Acceptable. But I
still don't know how this is applied in a practical sense.
Furthermore, I still don't understand if this is real or right.
Where does passion sit in the devotees day to day?
Where does the body?
Where does the dealing with injustice?
Oh, and what of sex and pregnancy and birth and life?
This world as we know it, the world that fed the master, would crumble if
we all played out his life in our own.
stirring the pot,
not feeling a great deal of equanimity,
not feeling the need to, :)
Nina
Oh, where could we be without this notion of enlightenment? /lament
>I thought that an enlightened person has such strong radiation's that maggots
>could not destroy the body for a very long length of time depending on how
>strong is his enlightenment. If degrees of strong radiation's have anything to
>do with it. Is there degrees of enlightenment? Do you know? I don't know! If
>Master isn't strong enough to take care of himself then how enlightened
>could he
>be. In modern day if we don't have a job we end up just like your Master,
>starving and eaten by maggots, or begging for handouts.
>The body is a thing of beauty, and "God made". So, I respect it! What was the
>reason for treating it as a corps? Is it seen as a spiritual thing? I
>thought we
>were supposed to treat the body with respect and keep it clean and taken
>care of
>so it won't go all to heck and stop serving us by it's physical life being cut
>too short. I also don't understand that one should make themselves other
>peoples
>responsibility, and causing hardships on others who are trying to stay
>independent so they won't have to end up in the streets. If they get dragged
>down to the dependent persons level because of him then they all go down. I
>don't understand!. I read a lot and one book says this, and another says that.
>I hear though that when people become enlightened then God takes care of
>them in
>such a way that they don't have to work. I know of two. These people know they
>are being taken care of as the fish in the sea, and the fowl of the air. They
>have plenty, and live very well.
>Those who aren't enlightened to that degree yet need to get a job and learn
>independence. That is unless they are too lazy by nature, and then they won't.
>Otherwise they can't learn to use independence wisely by not letting their
>lower
>nature take control. So, you won't have earned enlightenment until you do
>learn.
>That's the conclusion I have come to.
>I could be wrong. Am I, or what?
>I am not judging your Master, only wondering if there is indeed reasons behind
>what I am wondering about that I don't understand. ( You might say I am
>mainly a realist in one sense of the word. So I hope I did not hurt your
>feelings.) Pepper
>
>Harsha wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vicki [mailto:vioricaATnospamzahav.net.il]
>>
>> Sri Ramana Maharshi's Teachings
>> ARE a world teaching ,
>> and His message IS "intended" for all situations,
>> all people,everywhere.
>>
>> vicki,
>> with great love for this brilliant world Master who is
>> Ramana Maharshi, and always ready to defend His every
>> single word.
>>
>> P.S- I use this opportunity to thank Harsha with all my heart
>> for the opportunity to post Ramana's words on this list.
>> _______________
>> Thanks for being here Vicki. The devotees at RamanaAshram could not imagine
>> life without the Sage of Arunachala. Neither can we here.
>>
>> I can't remember when I heard of Ramana, but it seems like I have always
>> known Him!
>>
>> I remember being literally thunderstruck upon hearing someone sing
>> Arunachala Shiva, Arunchala....Om Shakti, Om Shakti, Om Shakti Om, Om
>> Shakti, Jnana Shakti, Para Shakti Om! It was as if every atom in the body
>> danced with ecstasy without reason. As Pascal said, "The Heart has its
>> reasons, which reason cannot know."
>>
>> I am grateful for the opportunity to speak of Ramana Maharshi and consider
>> it a privilege to make the forum (HarshaSatsangh) available for the purest
>> teachings on the Self.
>>
>> Ramana's teachings are the purest teachings. Everything pales in comparison.
>> To each their own, but I have never been the least attracted to any other
>> philosophy, psychology, self help system, and all that. They seem so utterly
>> superficial to me. Yet no doubt, they can be helpful to many, as people
>> often testify.
>>
>> Let others do as it pleases them. What have I to do with anything other than
>> Ramana's teaching of abiding in the Heart, the Self.
>>
>> Ramana Maharshi in the innocence of his youth read about the life of 63
>> Saivite saints and became fascinated with their devotion and intoxicated
>> with Divine Love. The story is well known of how within a few months of that
>> he realized the nature of the Self and at the tender age 16 left home to go
>> to Arunachala.
>>
>> There he sat in Samadhi as his body was eaten away by maggots. As Jan
>> pointed out, Sri Ramana literally treated his body as a corpse, and without
>> people to feed him and take care of him the first few years, the body
>> certainly would have died.
>>
>> Ramana is utterly unique. His life was public and everyone had free access.
>> There was no hocus pocus and mystery which many so called "masters" are
>> famous for. Sri Ramana was an embodiment of Ahimsa and compassion and one
>> sees that in his words, his conversations, his actions.
>>
>> In the early years, when deadly plague afflicted the area and many people
>> had died or run away, everyone was afraid. There was no Ashram and Ramana
>> and his friends lived in caves. When one of Sri Ramana's devotees came down
>> with the plague, the other devotees advised that they should all move to a
>> different area away from this person. They assured Ramana that the devotee
>> who had come down with the disease would be sent food periodically to the
>> cave and thus taken care of. Sri Ramana's answer was simple and beautiful
>> and moving. The Sage refused to leave. Ramana said that everyone was free to
>> go but he would stay with the afflicted devotee and some food should be sent
>> for both of them! Naturally after that no one left.
>>
>> If we read the actual stories of Sri Ramana's life and conversations with
>> Sri Ramana, the immaculate purity, serenity, the overwhelming beauty stand
>> out. Sri Ramana life and actions exemplify his teachings. The perfect ease
>> and authority with which Ramana Maharshi spoke of the Self was in total
>> harmony with purity, beauty, and love that was reflected in his actions and
>> life.
>>
>> Everyone, regardless of their path will benefit from the teachings of the
>> Sage of Arunachala. That is my view.
>>
>> Love to all
>> Harsha
>>
>>
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