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Recieved: 2001/04/27 22:45
Subject: Re: [K-list] "look the tiger in the eye" "stop beating around the bush"
From: Pepper J. Baxter
On 2001/04/27 22:45, Pepper J. Baxter posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Karin, I was raised a Lutheran because it was the closest church because my grandmother couldn't drive. Aside from being taught about the devil, and other limiting "stuff", our reverend and the congregation all seemed really respectful and decent human beings without the usual "uppity noses" for the most in our little town, and I seemed at the time in my little-kidhood to intuitively understand that the devil was a symbol of wrong thinking to shield the self against.
It could be that I didn't think on the lower levels at that time so I maybe didn't recognize the holier than thou's, and the gossip mongers etc. (including the minister) and only saw through the eyes of seeing God in everyone at that age. It never interred my mind to judge and or condemn people. Everybody was interestingly just who they were being. I accepted everyone as they were without question. I felt quite normal as normal was interpreted as in those days. (30's
and 40's etc. I giggled or laughed when I was happy over something, and pouted when I didn't get my way which was a lot.
But later on in life I hit a long run of maya and forgot to remember this normal way of growing in the world.
It was like a sort of "Little house on the prairie" kind of church as I look back. My church of my youth was a happy experience with a wise old reverend with many years in our church.
Years later I moved out of state and married a man who was also of the Lutheran faith. We attended the Lutheran church in town, when shortly a new and very young minister took over at the death of our prior minister. Male chauvinist etc., which caused a lot of discontent, disharmony, and angers in many peoples hearts. In less than one year our church caused in me such discomfort that I would never attend that church again, nor speak to that minister as well. I guess the
minister is who sets the stage and causes right or wrong changes in the peoples thinking. Any advice to people should be thought out and given after the though tout, end results are thought out well.
Still the whole thing comes down to teaching the conjuration either right or wrong THOUGHT. It can be a bit dangerous in some ways if a minister is both young and stupid. I've not been in a church sense back then.
All my friends were each of different faiths and we used to visit each others churches as teen's. The most radical, stiff church was a Baptist Church! Try living in the Bible Belt for a year sometime. That's an insight! The most fun was what we refereed to as the Holy Roller Church. Our hearts would fly right out of our chests just clapping our hands and screaming hallelujah. When I first snuck under the tent as a kid in grade school and didn't know Fern as yet I got
caught sneaking a look-see through a peep hole. I was invited in, and ran home screeming.The Catholic church was so beautiful that we felt easily next to God in it's interior. My second husband was LDS, a "Mormon." I forgot what the procedure was called, Oh! It was called testifying, where each member would stand up and tell about any miracles both large and small during the week. One man said how they walked in the desert for hours tracking some horses that had gotten
loose only to find that the horses had been following them all the time. They had prayed to be shown where the horses were and a "thought voice" told the owner that they must turn themselves around and look behind. The man laughed and said that for a flash minute, "piller of salt" crossed his mind before he turned. Boy did I ever go off on some tangents. I guess what I'm getting at is that what is, is what is. Memories is! Attitudes! Living life and forgetting to disect
it to death is part of it I think! That's it. Pepper
Karin Holtkamp wrote:
> Dear Sherri,
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> Well, organized religion seems to limit God just by assuming that their outlook on things is the only valid one and that we should follow certain rituals and believe in certain dogmas in order to please God. Another limiting factor about organized religion that always bothered me is that it tends to look down on the members of all other religions and treating them condescendingly as "heathens" that need to be converted.
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> This, unfortunately, is very true for Christianity where I am originally coming from (Lutheran Protestant) and these are some of the main reasons why I quit. Admittedly, some of Christianity's basic teachings still resonate with me today, especially the ones that deal with common sense and respect towards self and others. But then, you will find the same teachings to be the foundation of any major religion, just worded differently and coming in a different package.
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> For now, I don't feel like exchanging one label for a different one by adopting a new pile of rituals and dogmas for the ones I have left behind.
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> Some ramblings + musings
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> I am curious to what religion people on this list started out with??
> Any religion seems to "limit God", don't you think?
> Sherri
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