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Recieved: 2001/03/16 10:37
Subject: [K-list] Re: Fiona's Mother
From: Divine Goddess
On 2001/03/16 10:37, Divine Goddess posted thus to the K-list:
At 11:24 PM 16/03/01, you wrote:
SC: >There is always a choice, even if a small choice,
always a choice.
CW:Only in the conscious mind. The subconscious and
unconscious has already made a choice even before the left brain
logical conscious mind is aware of that choice.
SC:So true so true, but there is more. It takes practice but
one can become aware of when that choice point occurs. It takes
practice because the moment of choice is so instantaneous and
supported by the subconscious and unconscious mind. But it is possible
to find that choice point and change it's viewpoint thru the minds.
Fortunately, or unfortunately, the mind cannot tell the difference
between what is real or imagined and makes choices based on what it
perceives.
One day, thru personal healing, the minds will respond and begin to
make instantaneous choices, because the DNA has been transformed (if
we use this model paradigm).
SC:>There are some on this list who know of my past and
how I sufferred.>I rarely talk about it unless it is drawn out of me.
But that is so >far away it seems like I am a totally different person
now. And I am. >If I wanted to, I would have just as much right to
claim how my >maternal line made people suffer horrendously.
snip
CW: It is this collapsed magnetic field within the
cellular structure in the muscles and fibres which results in pain.
SC:Yes I understand and have experienced this.
SC: >If it is an encoded genetic program then it will
destroy the third>generation females and then there is no choice and
no hope for you.
CW: As I have already written .. the process IS
REVERSIBLE -
SC: Yes and that was what was so perplexing when Fiona posted her
story titled, "The Silent Assassin". The first thought that crossed my
mind was how could Christopher's life partner, some one with who he is
intimate and works with, be sharing how painful her life still is. I
thought his stuff works and has value. Is the Silent Assassin the
mother or the maternal DNA? Hmmmmm….this is all sounding just a
little premeditated Christopher. Was this whole transaction taking
place on this list a "teacheable moment" crafted by Christopher and
Fiona, my mind started asking me based on that maternal DNA
programming. (The females in my family are master manipulators.)
Now this may not be true but my maternal DNA compels me to react this
way. Now manipulation isn't a bad thing. It happens often between
students and their teachers but there is implied or implicit consent.
IF this is an orchestrated 'teacheable moment' it is happening without
my consent and I feel manipulated because my maternal DNA biological
imperative tell me that. It may not be true. You and Fiona are
probably not manipulating us to teach us but my unconscious mind
reacts to it anyway.
The important thing, though, is that I don't have to agree with this
maternal DNA's imperative and choose to see you as people acting with
altruistic motives in love. I can choose to see differently.
snip
SC:>words.
CW: If we did not write what we wrote, then you would not
have reacted. The fact that you have reacted shows that, down in your
subconscious and unconscious - in the cellular memories of your body -
no matter what your mind thinks you have done, these memories
are still running you as though You are still in the experience. Until
this is cleared, like the coral reef, your present is built on layers
of corpses of the past .. and your every reaction is based on
preconditioning.
SC: Of course, Christopher. I know this. I reacted and I am not a
prisoner of my reactions. There is another step.
SC:>I don't want to read about your problems if you
think your end is >pre-ordained. What or whom does that serve unless
to elicit pity from >the readers. I do not pity.
CW: Not even your self .. are you saying that you have no
compassion for the inner child in you ..? Because, until you first
have compassion for your self, then you can NEVER hear another through
their own expression without placing a judgement on what you hear ..
and the other person will pick up on your judgement - even if it is
unspoken -and shut up like a clam.
SC: I have compassion for my inner child, she is powerful but she
doesn't rule my life. I have an inner adult, an inner lover, an inner
B*tch, an inner adolescent…. And you are placing your judgments on me?
That's ok…but going round and round about it is a trap. In a
conversation with Angelique lately, I told her that I am really
getting tired of mirror games…they feel so self indulgent. A necessary
step and an important tool but can we get beyond these games?
SC: >Why have classes, why teach, why contribute to the
life of others, >why exist for your end is pre-destined. Why
fight...why not just curl >up and die now for your life has no
meaning, no power, no>contribution for your genes have won.
CW: You can change your genes - this is the object of my
work.
SC: Fiona's Silent Assassin post doesn't say much for the
effectiveness of your work.
>
SC: >Regardless of what researchers say, Fiona, you and
Christopher have >finally found the trap of elevating the power of
genes over the power>of Spirit and transformation.
CW:ABSOLUTELY - the words of "Spirit" are a myth
designed to offer false hope for the victims .. and keep most of the
religions and false guru's in pocket money. The rich get rich and the
poor get poorer.
SC: That is not my experience nor my perception. I disagree.
SC: >Maybe I don't understand. >Maybe I am not as evolved
or well researched as you and Christopher. >Maybe I am blind.
CW: No Susan - just frightened, like I was once .. like
Fiona was also ..
SC: Frightened???…Now who is reaching here and projecting about me
and who I am in this moment?
CW:It's a real scary thing when all of the things we
have been taught to believe have doubt - real doubt cast upon them.
I do not judge you .. if I did, I would be judging myself - and my
work.
SC: You are judging me. I don't mind. I don't really care about the
judgment/mirror scenarios anymore. All our original beliefs are
retained because the inner child mind thinks they are necessary for
survival.
CW: For thousands of years people have transferred their
eternal salvation onto some deity .. out of fear .. and now, this
genetic programming is part of most people. When someone (like Fiona
or myself) turns around and says
"First you have a belief
then the belief has you"
the end result is naturally that you end up feeling
"had"
SC: I do not disagree with you on that.
Sc:>But if I am then my life has no meaning and there is
no hope for >anyone to transcend their biology. This means I am doomed
and damned >to live the rest of my life in gene hell.
CW: That sounds very much like a deeply repressed
"Catholic Gene" speaking - the triggering of the memory of the
indoctrination of eternal hell and
damnation .. who was it taught that ..
From where in your idealogy did this reaction come --
not just from idle words, Susan .. but from some deeply seated and
held belief in your physical body which you have kept repressed ..
otherwise you would not have written those words.
SC: It is a useful analogy, which many people can resonate with. I
feel we have to start somewhere with a consensus of agreement to
change perceived reality.
SC:maybe this is why...in the several years I have been
reading the >posts of you and Christopher...I have never felt one drop
of joy. >(my own judgment but then most of my life has been lived with
the >absence of joy). Doesn't seem you have found a reason to be
joyful.
CW:l .. I can tell you Susan, that since I got to the
bottom of this shit,in sharing their self discoveries with others, and
watching the outcome for those with whom I have worked, I have shared
more joy than I could ever have imagined possible ..
SC: Like I said, it was my own judgment, because joy is an outrageous
feeling to me (besides a felt body sense vibrating in the marrow of my
bones) and I want to share it…joy is intrinsic to who I am
CW:and am continually humbled and in awe
at what some of my clients share with me ..
and the people on my own list ..
who in sharing their own personal
experiences have taught the both of us so much .. and confirmed =
for us many things we suspected but could never prove.
SC: I am glad you have these experiences. It is wonderful to have
confirmations that what we do makes a difference. I have had them and
have enjoyed them myself.
SC:> Not in my family .. >That used to be my favorite
mantra for years, ringing down the >maternal line to make sense of
senseless cruelty. Who speaks these >words? You, the essential You, or
what you call your genes?
CW:in .. the Brain program researches show that what we
speak, how we react, comes from the sub/unconscious mind.
Guess what - the cells that make up the brain started
out in the same way as every other cell in your body .. and carry the
same memories ..
The only reason the past is never forgotten .. in spite
of the fact hat every cell in the body is replaced every 7 years at
least ..
is because of the mantra
"I will never forget what you have done to me"!
SC: And we can change that, and like a keystone that hold the arch up,
the rest of the false beliefs soon crumble down.
We are more alike than we are different Christopher.
Love,
Susan
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