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Recieved: 2001/03/10 13:02
Subject: Re: [K-list] Grail / kundalini
From: Nick Sandberg
On 2001/03/10 13:02, Nick Sandberg posted thus to the K-list:
----- Original Message -----
From: "jo jo" <jojotomATnospamyahoo.com>
To: <nick.sandbergATnospambtinternet.com>; <K-list >
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [K-list] Grail / kundalini
>
> Just a few musings.
>
> "When you observe an individual entering the
> state of religious ecstasy known in the East as
> nirvikalpa samadhi, he or she appears little changed
> from the perspective of an observer. Yet we are
> informed from many sources that he or she is actually
> experiencing unlimited consciousness first-hand."
>
> When I work with clients this is not an uncommon
> experience. It's only after the treatments session,
> often not until the next session, that they report
> experience bliss.
>
> In spiritual traditions there is the experience that
> "enlightenment" is passed on from teacher to student,
> master to disciple.
>
> When I allow my body to open and energy to flow, it
> facilitates the same in clients. Like guitar strings
> tuned to the same note. Pick on and the other
> resonates. When we are in the presence of someone who
> is in a congruient state, it's easier for us to
> experience that same state. This applies to K as well.
>
> But the experience is one thing, understanding is
> another. On experience bliss, clients may focus on the
> orgasmic, sexual aspect or note rather than the full
> symphony. This then leads to transference and counter
> transference.
>
> My sense is that K is being experienced my more and
> more people, but out of context. This leads to
> heartache and mischief in the world, instead of peace.
>
> As in relationship great sex is not enought, dialogue,
> compassion, forgiveness, constant willingness to learn
> are essential for the relationship to deepen.
>
> My sense is that K is being awakened, the issue is
> sound teaching and guidence. K is not enought.
>
> In the christian sense, K is the spirit. Without the
> spirt everything is just dead ritual. Spirit alone
> leads to mischief (we can be dead sure and dead
> wrong).
>
> We need the spirit and sound teaching.
>
> Namaste,
> Om Shakti, Om Shakti, Om Shakti Om
> Aadhi Shakti, Maha, Shakti, Para Shakti Om
> jojo
Hi jojo,
Thanks for your musings! I'm trying to do some work exploring the notion of
total ego-death at the moment, which is why I sent the piece in. I'm getting
a little further -
> finish the book. As to permanentising a state of Samadhi, no thanks. One
> literally cannot serve two masters. An M.E, is not THE experience, merely
a
> gateway of possibilities.
>
Hi Adrian,
The "permanentised" state of samadhi would mean no individuality whatsoever,
indeed no "experience," as we understand it. There would be no world, no
people, no experience. Study the scriptures closely, look at the rise in
global awareness, and I believe the truth of our destiny becomes apparent to
those without fear in their soul. Unlimited consciousness experiences itself
in temporally and spatially limited form (our existence) and then it returns
to its source. Study the Bible closely and I believe it can be seen that
this is not only what it says but that, furthermore, the following of its
tenets is one of the chief mechanisms by which this return to unlimited,
de-individualised, de-experientised existence is actually being covertly
brought about.
I imagine the people who wrote the Bible, which I reckon is a great deal
more coherent in terms of source than is typically believed, knew this full
well and understood that, as consciousness started to expand, so the
stimulated ego-perspective of the individual would strongly resist the
return to Unity. This is why all this stuff is so hidden. This is why our
culture has been rendered so strongly dialectical, because an individual
with a dialectical mindset simply won't believe the truth until he or she
actually starts to experience the final uprush. The ego is petrified of
unity, representing as it does ego-death, and will do pretty much anything
to avoid making mental deductions which lead it to believe this might be
occcuring. In short, if this really were happening, pretty much NOBODY would
actually believe it until the chain reaction actually commenced and it
couldn't be stopped anyway.
I have to admit, it's a clever little scheme.
all the best
love
Nick
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