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Recieved: 2001/03/01 11:30
Subject: [K-list] Reality Truth, Illusion and Belief
From: Wim Borsboom
On 2001/03/01 11:30, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear So & So,
A bit busy today marking assignments, but let me quickly answer you.
My memories of Jesus have increased tremendously, but that is a statement
that only I know to be true and I have no control on how others think about
that... nor do I have to worry about it. :-) Uncanny, yes, but OK.
To balance this certainty out though with a seeking uncertain world that
"may not know, may not have ears to hear or eyes to see", I always
corroborate my memories with the scholarly literature out there. I know
enough of my failings and the possibility of impure influences still within
me, that I do that. Doing that with a lot of self respect but humorous self
criticism as well. Sometimes I can be off the mark, but I always know that
right at that moment....
You commented...:
> Not nitpicking but something bothers me
>... how people take some of Jesus's
> words and then throw others away.
... on what I wrote:
>> Poor translation and medieval symbolism
>> has given form and shape to 'possessing
>> entities', 'satanized' psychological states.
>> Satan did not exist, when Jesus
>> was in the desert for 40 days,
>> he went exactly through that discovery.
I originally wrote:
>> but he (Jesus) actually never used the word
>> devil or satan in a *personified context*, the
>> word 'evil' he did use but also the word
>> 'faith' (not belief) and living in truth.
You said:
> And yet in that desert, He said, "Get behind me Satan".
Actually he went exactly through the discovery of the illusiveness of the
personification of evil and the causes of that illusion.
When Jesus said (and please keep the paragraph about *personified context*
above in mind ): "Get thee hence, behind me, Satan," he actually said, "Get
out of here, disappear !"
Appearance always has the sense of ' what appears is not a representation of
reality'. When one says 'disappear' one means that even stronger - even the
appearance has to dissolve.
That is what Jesus worked through during that 40 day episode.
I in my personal life have gone through exactly the same temptations... and
I (as I have written before) I almost failed...
(Although, in the long run, failing for everyone is impossible, as all of us
will recover the original divine reality of human nature.)
So I consult with scholarly literature out there.
There is a wonderful book, titled "The Five Gospels, The search for the
authentic words of Jesus."
ISBN 0-02-541949-8 from Macmillan Publishing in which 74 scholars, world
wide, from all denominations, have focused on the authenticity of Jesus's
1500 recorded sayings.
Of the saying: "Get thee away, Satan." or "Get thee behind me, Satan." the
scholars are sure that Jesus did not say those words. There are actually two
versions in Greek that diverge a bit.
Anyway, they rate the statement as follows: "Jesus did not say this, it
represents the perspective or contents of a later or different tradition.
I will leave it at this for now,
Loving you, Wim
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