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Recieved: 2001/02/27 07:42
Subject: [K-list] 'My tickle/kundalini'
From: Jb789
On 2001/02/27 07:42, Jb789 posted thus to the K-list:
Hi and
Thank you all for the responses.
Angelique's response,
was generous in the size/time/energy she used;
she essentially took my post as being 'critical', and yet it seems to
me that her post is quite critical. She employs the following words
to fix and freeze her image of JB : critical, cynical, hostile,
moaning, complains about life, a martyr, insists JB said is 'wise',
and that it is 'typical' of his 'choices of perception' (his not
knowing how to use the mail system and yet he blames the system), he
is full of paradigms including 'his truth'.
If I did not know better, JB would've already felt quite crucified
(psychologically) by all these categorizing 'paradigms'.
To Percyval:
You write:
'and of course, they are "MY' experiences, ...
are your experiences something more than being yours?'.
I can only say that there is an original/eternal 'something'.. there
is an 'aperception' of it without any perceiver,.. to say 'I' have
experienced it, is an impossibility and un-truth. The I/ego is Not
there. To say : I will meditate some more so I can have that
experience again, is grotesque. You Can do that with all kinds of
Other experiences,..'worldly' and meta-physical.. of subtle
realms/universes, but there is no end to the varieties of those
experiences.. there are infinite levels 'lights/sounds/bliss'.. and
they are (as far as I can see) finite and time-bound.
You might say : 'well, If you say this is not -Your- experience, then
How can You describe all this about it ?'.
The Memory of that 'aperception' does function, one is not a big
blank, and the various verbal Re-presentations might be used, for the
sake of communication,.. But, the ego with its endless strategies
of "My experience" is absent. And therefore ANY action with the
purpose to 'become enlightened' is superfluous, and useless, and
unnecessary.
I cannot say 'How to' have a 'non-experience'. I can only say that
trying to get it via doing this and that, will obviously not do it.
It would only Re-inforce the Doer/'I'.
If one truly sees this, can one still go on with one's technological
pursuits ?
So there is no 'how to', is there ?
The above might seem like a fiddling with words to prove that there
is such a thing as a non-experience.
But the words do not matter. There Is absolutely an undeniable and
radical difference between : "-I- have experienced 'the Divine'" and
the other.
You also write:
"i am wondering how one can "end doing"...
isn't "not doing" doing something? living
seems to be doing, even if one is completely still... please explain
this to me..."
Yes,.. the practiced 'non doing' is also a 'doing'.
Seeing that, .. does it not bring the non-doing of itsself, without a
doer ?
I might be 'completely still',..but is it " I am still" , OR "there
is stillness" ? The first one, when doing/living, there is still a
Doer (though 'still/quiet'); the second, is there a Doer (as we know
it) ?
So is there a "How" ?
That's one of the 'spiritual' mind's weaknesses, .. it hears of
something that sounds reasonably good to Get, and then one looks for
the Method.. and one is caught in a trap.
So instead, why not take a closer look at all this stuff that 'I' am
busy Doing, in order to...
But you see, to a mind that Practices spirituality and has all kinds
of noble agendas/'plans', investements and goals, an enquiry like the
above is rather uncomfortable, annoying, "disturbing, cynical,
hostile, moaning, critical and full of paradigmas" and to be
ignored/trashed.
The whole technological spirituality, as Angelique points out, does a
lot of good and brings comfort to the suffering,.. such as healing
for example, thru 'positive' states such as laughter(I might add, as
long as one does not laugh with arrogance, at another).
If that is one's interest, the pursuit of it does bring many
fulfilling rewards/states, though also a certain amount of extra
pain/frustration/confusion, when the practice/endeavour fails.
But This
was Not,
what my "Moan"
was about.
So I shall stop "disturbing".
My mistake was to assume, that as long as I would not get
into "paradigms" about footbal or analysis of the 2nd world war
startegies or the chemical components of Merlot wines as opposed to
those of the Madonna's little toe,.. that I would be on the safe side
(and appropriate enough), and be able to share/point to what I see.
But I was mistaken. There are apparently other 'paradigms' which do,
what they did.
Best wishes to all
jb.
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