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Recieved: 2001/02/27 01:07
Subject: Re: [K-list] Entity?
From: Wim Borsboom
On 2001/02/27 01:07, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Laura et al,
You and someone else wrote:
> lately I have had several disturbing and uncomfortable possession type
> dreams, and have not known what to make of them at all. I wake up
suddenly,
> feeling toxic and contaminated from the presence and have to do all sorts
of
> weird things like light white candles, invoke for divine protection,
smudge
> myself and the room, set the intention that none might possess me, and try
> to fall back asleep with the lights on.
>
> I would also love to know of any and all possession experiences and what
> this might be indicative of.
> >This morning I awoke from a dream with a sudden start. I felt this
> >entity grasping at my neck with a flapping sound , and 'it' jumped in
> >my body ,causing my body to jerk noticeably in the bed .
> >In the dream I was walking down a local road and passed a woman coming
> >out of a car . She was very attractive and as I was walking past her
> >I mentally drew her towards me ...That was when I woke up .
> >Any similar experiences out there ? Is this a 'possession'?
(There is a PPS at the end to Percyval.)
My answer to the 'reality' of entities might not be popular, but I'm getting
more and more convinced of what follows. Anyway if you want to disagree that
is OK, but I would like you to at least consider this.
People generally already have quite a hard time figuring out what 'normal
reality' is. What is real? What we *per*ceive or what we *con*ceive? How
many more difficulties do you think people have in sorting out the reality
or illusiveness of 'entities'?
To get physically in touch with reality from the point of departure of a
separate and individualised human being, that being uses perception,
perception through the senses (the five of them).
I purposely do not include the idea that the mind is also a sense (some
Buddhist factions believe that) as, in my view, the mind is used to
*con*ceive from what has been channelled to and by the mind through the
sense *per*ceptions to the mind... (Angelique's remarks on mirroring can be
understood from this.)
Matter, things, res (Latin for 'thing' as in re-ality) is that which can be
measured, that which can be sensed, gauged. That which can be touched,
heard, tasted, seen and smelled as.... being physically outside our
individual bodies.
What we feel and have AS our body, BEING our body, inside our body is
ALTOGETHER the physical support system and infrastructure to make those
senses do their work. It is the 'incarnated' attempt at direct and integral
knowledge, oneness or love.
Perception is the functioning body. Conception is the pondering,
deliberating , scheming, arguing and supposing mind. (All those verbs meant
positively.)
Trough the mind, aided by the sense data as recorded and stored in the brain
(mostly cholesterol) and other frenal fatty acids distributed throughout
the human body) the sense data are communicated through the nervous system
as coded energy exchanges. That complex mental 'mechanism' tries to make
'sense' of it ALL (?). The mind may even manipulate sensual information for
theoretical purposes...:
"For the sake of argument, let me assume that..." , <--- That kind of
deliberation the mind loves and is allowed to do, but under the proviso that
we know that it is "for the sake of argument", a temporary measure to draw
conclusions. A thought experiment to come to a deeper under-standing (sub-
position ---> supposition) or conclusion about 'what-it-is' that our senses
appear to pick data up from.
These conclusions are not reality, we may think they are. But they are not,
they will always be superseded, or replaced by other 'conclusions'. It is
all an attempt to pull 'every-thing' together into an integer whole: the
disparate pieces of information that the body collects sensorily.
Of course we are 'supposed' to have total direct knowledge but I guess most
of us have lost that human divine ability and are now reclaiming it
Perception is our 'touch with reality' in tactile, olfactory, gustatory,
auditory and visual ways. Even when we use our 5 senses purely and
appropriately, it is (admittedly) still indirect, not immediately
experienced, but it is as direct and immediate as our physical body can do
it.
After *per*ception *ac*ceptance comes, accepting the realty of "that which
all this is".
On this list we have had enough discussion about illusion, mirroring, mind
games, etc.
I have come to the decision to keep it all fairly simple... whatever has
gravity, whatever can be measured... that it is real, has substance. We have
to deal with that, handle it. We cannot explain it away... when we do that,
it will do more than stare us in the face again. Reality is the brick wall
we will keep running into.
Anything conceptual may come in handy but... no more handy than a trinket or
a gadget from our mental Acme Company of Illusions.
OK, the *idea* about gravity is conceptual as well. But let's say, when you
have to use a bit of muscle power then 'it' is real, it carries weight, it
tips physical scales.
Anything else is not real, any thing else is just concepts that have taken
on guises of reality.
What are entities then...? Vestiges of memories of some physical person,
physically violating your personal gross and subtle energy space. And you
sensed it (the violating abuses) and stored them as memories for later
processing... The nature of violation is that it prevents you to process
and take appropriate defensive and self liberating action at the moment of
violation, the violator would love you to forget it (or him or her) and
blame yourself etc...
Violators scare the living daylight out of you, but your ears still remember
the sounds, your skin still remembers the registration of touch, the air
flapping around, etc., the smells, tastes.
Uncanny! A memory of a big fly bothering a little baby can, when associated
wrongly, turn into
or be associated with a very fearful episode later in life. The vibration of
the fly's wings may sound comparatively louder now, the discomfort of you as
a child is felt again, but as strong as though you were a little
baby....(But then you forgot, and you probably could not even know that it
was a fly... ... ..., you may now think it is an 'entity'.... (which it was,
a fly!)
(Between you and me, don't tell others, I'm actually totally convinced of
this type of thing. I have worked through a lot of this "stuff", some very
hairy and very real memories ranging from bothering flies to paedophile
manipulation that took me many years to confront and come to terms with.
I had to stop seeing the devil in me. "The devil in me" that made my
perpetrator do, he told me, whatever he did. I also had to stop seeing the
devil as 'real'. Although the pain and physical discomfort of those
situations was real, the connection to the evil of devilish part was the
illusive suffering aspect... Not real pain but mental suffering..., not
being able to separate fear from reality... a sickness of the violated mind.
The processing mind, as a data base controlling mechanism, may associate
those imprints (engrams) with other memories to fill them out, put imaginary
meat on the imaginary bone so to say. But it can make quite a mess of it as
well... The mind can easily present botched up memories (the botching up
ensured by single or multiple violator(s)), recomposing and assembling
memories to the mind's eye (and ear, etc.) in or as fearful symbols, and the
violator usually has added a judging sentence to all those symbolic images
and fear coded messages.... usually entailing that the victim is to blame,
the sinner, the slut, "You had it coming", "You deserved it".
The mind may even bring in the concept of past-lives-memories... There is no
end to it... no wonder the road to enlightenment seems like a real road...
and so long.
At some point (could be through age, or when one cannot take it anymore, or
when Kundalini strikes, etc.) the body reacts more outspokenly in stresses
or nervous responses They are nothing else than the responses that you had
to your violator or the defence responses that you violator was holding you
back from and also a reverse mirroring where the victim mimic the
violator.
With the understanding of these dynamics, I have been able to help quite a
few of my clients to get rid of "entities"
By the way this viewpoint is used extensively in Tibetan Tantric Buddhism
where wrathful deities (or envisaged entities) are seen and destroyed to the
Nothingness which they were from the beginning anyway. The Dalai Lama still
has some internal problems in his sect with some of the protective deities
that some monasteries want to hold on to.
There is more, see my website maybe:
http://www.aurasphere.dhs.org
Love, Wim
PS. For some readers on this list this may look like another tired and
tiring repeat of viewpoints previously expressed. Well, the nature of the
list is that with so many new members all the time, one has to repeat. I
always try to augment my remarks with little twists. Of course, as I'm
working with more clients I learn and can have them apply more and can see
the efficacy of the understanding of these dynamics.
PPS. Percyval, hang in there... you live reality.... you know that, I know
it. Here's hoping that many more people will recover their living reality.
Often novice list members, not yet having extensively undergone the blisses
(and cleansing ravages) of Kundalini do not know (or suspect ) the creative,
recreative, procreative, sexual and erotic characteristics that eventually
culminate via fully integrated whole body bliss into the sublime bliss of
the human divine.... (Hehehe, a nice long sentence... )
Again ambrosia and love, Wim
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