To: K-list
Recieved: 2001/02/22 07:03
Subject: Re: [K-list] In the fullness of being
From: Edwin Zimbalast Jnr
On 2001/02/22 07:03, Edwin Zimbalast Jnr posted thus to the K-list:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
:+
:+Well :)) Once you have *experienced* the "answers" to Wim's "riddles" you
:+will find that they are not riddles after all, but a quite matter of fact way
:+to help "get" you where you seem to want to "go." But perhaps Wim's words
:+don't quite cut it for you.
Words are useful but you cannot experience Truth through words. It is
more intuitive. Words help thinking, Truth is more than thinking Wim did
not say how, he only acted as a poet.
:+
:+Sri Ramana Maharshi wrote in *Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi*
:+
:+"There is nothing new to get. You have, on the other hand to get rid of your
:+ignorance which makes you think you are other than Bliss." and elsewhere,
:+"What is Bliss but your own being? You are not apart from Being."
He says you have to get rid. So how does he do it?
:+It sounds to me as though you have already "tried" prayer and devotion, so
:+perhaps you should try more "mechanical" ways to reach the state of
:+"Oneness." i.e. Pranayama (breathing exercises,) Hatha Yoga, mind centering
:+practices such as meditation and chanting, etc.
Prayer is only flattery. I want nothing so I don't prayer. I only want
to surrender and give to the Lord. Devotion is Love for God so of course
I must have that always. Methods and mechanics are necessary yes I agree
for habit and strenght, but the ideation behind it must be ther also.
Pranayama can be dangerous unless one is a regular practitioner of
meditation i understand. Meditation these days is false too many people
as it is like repeating coca cola and for spacing out and relaxing. I do
not want any of this. I want challenge and to surrender. The meditation
must have the force of God behind it.
IMO Many of these
:+"techniques" to be successful combine breath work, a sexual component such as
:+Bandhas or Kegal exercises, and surrender/love.
:+
Sex is basic - it will not achieve spiritual realisation. It is too
obviouis and too simple and not permanent - it passes in a moment.
:+Once when rather badgered by a man who insisted he should have Maharshi's
:+"grace" because of his important lineage, Maharshi responded in exasperation,
:+"Very well. If you are so anxious for Trance, any narcotic will bring it
:+about. (He continued, of course, that "Drug habit will be the result and not
:+liberation.")
I have not taken drugs or drink or smoke or anything like that for whole
time. These things are rubbish. Yes, spiritual liberation is desired and
wanted. What is the means. No funny things like sexy meditation or silly
mistresses please.
:+
:+And last but not least :)) there is Mystress's grounding page.
:+
Waste of time. I want not temporary pleasures.
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