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Recieved: 2001/02/11 16:32
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: your opinion on healing
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2001/02/11 16:32, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 10:14 AM 2/11/01, Vickie Novak wrote:
>I would like to make another statement on the below. Now that my mouth is
>started.
>:)
That's funny.. I woke up realizing exactly how pissed off I am, by
Natives blame and victimhood attitudes. Frustrated, because it does not get
anywhere.
The funny-ironic-sad thing is that when whites try to help, we are
seen as interfering, and when we leave the natives to handle their own
problems we are seen as unsympathetic. It's a no-winner. If I seem cranky,
it is because I am speaking from my own frustration. The change has to come
from within the communities, and too often it seems they are too fixated on
blame and internal conflicts to get anywhere.
I offer a quote from a Canadian study done on aboriginal substance abuse:
From: http://www.ccsa.ca/mckenzie.htm#social
>The point was made that Native communities differ greatly in Aboriginal
>language and culture as well as in current setting, population and
>socio-economic development. Nevertheless, the complex of social problems,
>including alcohol and drug abuse, is at least very widely, if not
>universally, shared. The ultimate causes must be, therefore, what all
>these communities share: a history of loss or threatened loss of culture
>and devaluation of cultural identity by the larger society; contemporary
>social, economic and cultural marginalization.
>
>Whatever the ultimate causes, the solutions must come from the communities
>directly affected. The larger society can provide resources. Governments
>have an obligation to provide the economic, legal and political assistance
>that is necessary to strengthen the Native communities and help them solve
>the problems of marginalization that are the context for substance abuse
>and its consequences for the family. The scientific and medical
>communities can provide information on what is known about substance
>abuse, on research that might assist the search for solutions to the
>problem as it exists in Aboriginal communities, and provide access to and
>training in programs that have been effective in other contexts. However,
>only the communities themselves can define the nature of their particular
>problems and judge the relevance of programs and general scientific
>knowledge. Perhaps the most constructive contribution outside experts can
>provide is a sympathetic but critical questioning of the Native
>communities' efforts to define and address substance abuse problems.
So, that is what you are getting.. a sympathetic but critical
questioning.
Contrary to how my "Devil's advocate" comments may appear, I have a lot
of sympathy for the plight of aboriginals worldwide, and have invested
considerable attention to healing on an energetic level... because healing
on an individual level is not wanted.. usually.
The living aboriginals don't want interference, but I was requested to
assist, by an international council of ascended aboriginal Shamans. If
you like, I will tell you the story, and the conclusions I came to, as a
Shaman, about why it is that the Natives are having a much more difficult
time adapting, than other oppressed cultures in history.
I won't tell you unless you ask, because last time I related the story
on the list I was raked over the coals by a part-native person who
preferred to hold onto his victimhood and attitudes of injustice, and his
prejudice against white people, rather than consider what I had to say.
Same old same old.
> > > How far do you want to go back in this healing? How wide do you want
> > > to make it? Before the Christian invasion of North America, there was the
> > > Roman invasion of Europe, the Mongol invasion of China, the Aryans
> invaded
> > > India, ... the list goes on and on. Farther back than we can know. Plato
> > > says the Atlanteans tried to invade Greece.. The old testament is filled
> > > with stories of the territorial struggles of the early Hebrews...do you
> > > think they feel guilty about the conquest of Jherico? About the
> slaying of
> > > the eldest sons of Egypt?
> > > Do you think the Romans felt guilt over conquering Europe? The
> > > Mongols? The Aryans? The British felt guilty about empire building in
> Asia
> > > and Africa?
> > > Christian guilt is a modern idea, of a modern ego...
> >
> > In my opinion an acknowledgment of what has been done is all that is
> needed.
>
>The -acknowledgment- makes the connection for healing to begin at the
>energetic level and that is what I mean in this situation in that , it is
>all that is needed for healing to begin.
I don't get it.. The acknowledgement is obvious. Everybody knows what
happened to the Natives of North America, it is common knowledge. It is
widely expressed in politics, media, music, art, theatre and film. From
"Little Big Man" to "Dances with Wolves", to media coverage of Native
protests, to aboriginal musicians, to Chief Seattle and Grey Owl (Both of
whom were white guys, BTW..) Opening ceremonies of last summer Olympics,
"I Buried My Heart at Wounded Knee", the songs of Susan Uglukark....
What is it exactly that you are asking for? What more do you need, to
begin healing.. or is your argument simply an excuse to postpone action? I
am not criticising you, I just don't get it.. If you want to look at the
cup half full, you will find plenty of acknowledgement.. if you want to
insist on the cup half empty then any acknowledgment will never be enough
to get past the determined victimhood attitudes. We cannot undo what has
been done, it is time to move forward.
Richard Bach said it: "If your happiness depends on what someone else
does, then you do have a problem". Time for the blame to stop.
I will acknowledge: Yes, Vickie, the North American Native peoples got
the shit kicked out of them by European conquest. They have not recovered
from it. The descendents of those Europeans would like to help fix the
situation, but natives are understandably wary of such "help".
I'm sure every person on this list would gladly add their signatures to
this statement.. because it is a widely known fact. So if 550 list members
give you acknowledgement, will it be enough?
> As far as repatriations I guess I'm not totally sure as to
>what is needed. Maybe a start would be to actually begin to honor the
>agreements made by the govt. through the treaties.
>
>To me this is like the shadow side of our country that needs to be
>confronted and healed in order to evolve.
Our Country? I am Canadian.. we have honored the treaties, and are
involved in spending billions on reparation and rights. The greater part of
the Northwest Territories has been given over to native self government:
http://privat.schlund.de/H/Hammond/enunavut.htm
Treaty re-negotiations, monetary and land grants are happening all over
Canada, millions of acres and billions of $$, to the point where native
reparations are threatening the economy and it may be that everyone will
lose. Lose/lose game.
http://www.aaf.gov.bc.ca/news-releases/index.stm
>I look at countries and their growth in a similar way
>to how I look at individual growth. Maybe this isn't the 'right' way to do
>it but
>until I find a better way to look at it, this is how I do it. Can we have
>kundalini arousal at the levels of countries?
It is happening on a planetary scale. Mass consciousness shift.
But, truly, change the world by changing inside of yourself. The
outside reflects the inside. I truly think that if you want to do this
healing, you have to begin, within.. see perfection in what you call
injustice. You are half native, you can work from within the system, to
heal the system.. you can go where my white face is not wanted.. that is
what is needed.. But you have to take the stone from your own eye, first.
>Thank you for the opportunity to vent. Vickie
I really hope it helps.. Blessings..
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