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Recieved: 2001/02/11 05:44
Subject: Re: [K-list] In the fullness of being
From: Edwin Zimbalast Jnr
On 2001/02/11 05:44, Edwin Zimbalast Jnr posted thus to the K-list:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Wim Borsboom wrote:
:+
:+When the 'habitual and conditioned need' to repeat questions and express
:+wishes stops, the ultimate answer reveals itself instantly.
But I cannot understand. I have not repeated any question and you have,
so what is revealed?
:+
:+To get to that unconditional state of freedom, you can do two things:
:+
:+1. Move yourself into an environment where
:+ the need does not arise. That is allowed.
I cannot see how this can be. The need is part of human nature - if not
the ultimate nature, ie to realize good. What you may say sounds good but
around us all is relative and to get beyond that surely we must desire and
long for the Absolute, but relativity means we have to work things
through. What you say is magic but seems complete denial.
:+2. When the disharmonious environment
:+ in which you are, elicits the question,
:+ step back into a quiet spot inside that environment.
:+
I know the quite spot but if you are not constantly wanting it then it
will not be quite. So you say 'step inide' - so a movement in relativity,
meaning spiritual practive involves movement and so is a struggle - that
is fine by me. All great saints I hear of experienced the same struggle
and in it saw joy. Overwise what you say is illusion.
:+Every place, however much turmoil there seems to be, has such quiet spots.
:+Just like a waterfall, where it comes down and tumbles into the depths,
:+there seems to be a lot of agitation, but there are always little pools and
:+eddies on the sides with some quiet or even still waters.
:+
But it is strange to seek little places like if on a pilgramage. One has
to see the Absolute in all - big and small. I do not want little quite
spots of relaxation.
:+Water is not able to seek those spots at will, it seems a matter of chance,
:+humans can... find those spots and go there.
:+Withdraw to a quiet place inside the turmoil.
:+
No noo no - no caves , no escapes, please no dreams.
:+The law of cause and effect in nature is action / reaction.
:+The law of cause and effect in the de-natured human has become action /
:+counteraction.
all action, all binding , no difference. what I want is to see action as
God and not have reaction.
:+Find the difference
:+
:+You are asking "How?"
:+Are you willing to work on the above two sentences - very concretely,
:+mentally as well as physically, constantly?
:+
NO I want to work on something a lot more than intellectual sentences and
mind games. I want to work so my mind merges into a flow, not a mind game
of sentence. Please help in this regard.
:+Understand and experiment , experience the difference
No no expirements, no games, only straightforward devotional way so I can
move and be One
:+
:+Once you get it, choose for the natural law... and practice practice...
:+
Yes,, yes, practice I must practice something spiritual - some inner
intuitive practice not sentences. Yes , yes
:+You will recover oneness, the way you would have kept it, if in your early
:+childhood you would not have been de-natured.
My early childhood would have already brought me into the world to
experience rections and learn action as God.
:+The Buddha in you is not lost, is only now urging you to re-merge with it,
:+being yourself again
Buddha, I think saw emptyness. I cannot understand interpretations of
Buddha. I want a modern contemporary master and guru only.
EZ
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