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Recieved: 2001/01/29 00:54
Subject: Re: [K-list] Both Pleasure and Pain are symptoms of Dis-ease - Valerie
From: v
On 2001/01/29 00:54, v posted thus to the K-list:
Christopher Wynter wrote:
>
> v: >Can you say why it is that physical traumas occur in the here & now which
> >cause pain - again seemlingly in the here & now?
>
> cw: The experience of the pain is in the here and now awareness
v: indubitably so!
> v: >I mean - if we are hit by
> >a truck it causes a LOT of physical pain. Are you saying that even these
> >random traumas resulting in physical pain are somehow caused by reflections
> >of past holding patterns? And - if so - why?
>
> cw: If you were fully conscious, you would not be in a position to be hit by
> a truck ..
>
> Accidents like this are caused by an unconscious death wish ..
> an unconscious wish to be punished .. or traumatised ..
>
> Each person is, consciously or unconsciously the creator of their own reality.
v: this above is what isn't resonating - similar in the way of bad things
happening to good people.
I was in the back seat of a car driven by my friend, & another friend in the
front passenger seat, & another friend behind her. I had just lost my first born
son 5 mos. before, & was again pregnant with my little daughter.
So, neither my friend who was driving or the other gal in the front seat were
damaged, just us 2 gals in the back.
Meanwhile, it was a lovely summer day - driving conditions were splendid, a San
Juan County (Orcas Is.) truck was behind us, & a speeding lumber truck behind him.
We had come to the fork in the road where we were to turn left, only the
oncoming traffic was heavy, so we had to pause with the turn signal blinking.
The lumber truck was speeding so fast, that when we paused before making a
perfectly legal left turn, under ideal traffic conditions, the lumber truck
couldn't stop in time, & plowed into the San Juan County truck behind us - both of
whom flipped over about a 50 ft. embankment - & pushing our car about half a mile
forward.
The driver of the lumber truck had a 4 year old son, who had been just lying
casually in the place where truckers sleep, with no seat belt. He was crushed
under the lumber & died instantly.
The road was soon packed with emergency vehicles & neighbors & so on. I didn't
tell anyone that I had just lost a child, but they made sure to let us know that
this man's son was his pride & joy - & had turned his life around when he was
born.
SO - I have spent a long long time wondering about the why's & wherefores
involved in this situation, & I just don't agree that ALL these people who were in
more control of the vehicles & the actual activities were just innocent bystanders
& acting out my repressed suicidal tendencies, or from any other trauma previous.
It's like a "who dunnit" mystery novel, eh?
> cw: Just as we can know in moments of "serendipity" who it is that
> is on the 'phone, so the same awareness is available when we
> are driving or walking down the street. The conscious or unconscious
> choice is ours whether we place ourselves in the path of an
> oncoming truck ,, or whether we walk around with a big
> neon sign of unconscious thought flashing over our head
> saying "please rape me" .. or "please bash me up".
v: the odd thing was - just previous to this event, my friend who was driving had
pulled over & MADE us put on our seat belts, wouldn't drive another inch until we
put on our seatbelts, mentioning insurance companies not covering expenses
otherwise! And I am quite sure she did not intend to cause an accident either!
Just like the actual catalyst of the whole affair - the lumber truck driver -
would seem to be the one at fault, only he lost his beloved son. I am entirely
sure he did not mean to in any way - consciously or otherwise!
> cw: If we are conscious, we either will not place ourselves on the street at
> the precise time the potential truck, rapist or basher is there ..
>
> or we will walk down the street with inpunity.
v: erg...
> cw: > > It is a re-mind-er
> > > of something held in the cellular
> > > memory of the unconscious mind
> > > which needs resolution.
v: yes, but ...?
>
<snip>
> cw: When I go through the life patterns for a person involved in any major
> trauma I can identify a pattern which is repeated over time, getting more
> severe as the person grows older.
v: Yes, and amazingly enough, I was rear ended again 2 more times just shortly
after that, & was only driving the last time, which just happened to be Halloween
night! And I dealt with the whole traumatic affairs until the last one. I had been
ok & was driving 12 miles back & 12 miles forth to college on the freeway every
day & night. After the third time my composure fell apart, & i had to go find
Prozac!
>
> cw: You may not be aware that, for example, your mother wished the foetus
> inside her was dead. (and there are a lot of mothers who have that wish ..
> consciously and unconsciously)
>
> Now, if that projection from your mother (or father) came often enough and
> strong enough, unless ALL emotional ties to mother (or father) are cut,
> the child, as it grows up, will subconsciously create the situation to
> fulfill that wish .. as regular as clockwork ..(and the pattern is predictable)
> until the wish is fulfilled.
v: yes I'm sure in my case my parents didn't want me - but I was 35 years old
before these rear-ending thingys began happening. And I know for a fact that the
friends in the front seat's parents doted on them! So you are saying - in effect -
that I caused everybody involved all this trauma with my dirty aura??? wild...I
just don't get it!
<snip>...
>
> cw: and, yes Valerie , you have taken this a step further than I was originally
> referring to in my post .. but the same principles apply ..
v: yeah, and I know that all the replies all day do make sense, each in their own
way. I think what you are saying is very true, but on a much more simplified
level. But - life is usually not so simple as we would like it to be for our
personal edifications...
> cw: Does this help ..?
v: erg.
> cw: (BTW .. the same rules apply in our relationships ..!)
>
v: thanx for the time & thought you took, anyway!
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