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Recieved: 2001/01/28 05:00
Subject: Re: [K-list] Both Pleasure and Pain are symptoms of Dis-ease - Mystress
From: b.holland
On 2001/01/28 05:00, b.holland posted thus to the K-list:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Wynter" <anundaATnospamone.net.au>
To: <K-list >
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [K-list] Both Pleasure and Pain are symptoms of Dis-ease -
Mystress
> At 09:26 PM 28/01/01, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> >At 04:12 PM 1/27/01, Christopher Wynter wrote:
> > >Qutie simply ..
> > >
> > >Pain is the body's way of telling a person that what is
> > >presented in the mirror is the reflection of some past
> > >holding pattern which is causing "dis-ease"
> > > to the physical organism ..
> >
> > I don't understand this. Pleasure and pain are both felt by
animals,
> >which have no egos or Karma to clear.. By plants too, as recorded by many
> >science experiments.. I agree, some pain humans feel is caused by past
> >memories.. and pleasure in needs being met, but, all of it? Makes no
sense
> >to me.. can you explain?
> > Blessings..
>
> OK ..
>
> Firstly, I wrote the original post in the context of the thread which was
going
> on the list .. "Is it possible to end hurt"
>
> And I was referring to specifically the "human condition"
>
> Now .. Pleasure and Pain are definitions we as humans have placed
> on an experience which exhibits certain "symptoms" or characteristics.
>
> When we say that plants and animals exhibit pleasure and pain, we could
> also ask the question are they really exhibiting P&P (abbreviated from
this
> point on for the sake of brevity) or are they reflecting to us something
which
> we respond to as P&P.
>
> Now, we know and can measure the electronic responses of plants and
> animals to stimuli .. and draw our conclusions from a comparison with
> our understanding and experience of the same or similar measured
> characteristics ..
>
> ie ..
>
> the scientific observations are filtered through OUR ego, OUR karma
> and OUR perceptual filters for analysis and interpretation...
>
CW
Ah, this is not the best of way of explaining this.
First of all, living things that take a physical manifistation are found in
a biosphere.
The phase states of matter when combined can produce a fauna which has
consciousness attached.
Such as the Earth, where man finds himself/herself cotemplating such things.
Which is our postion and the
postion of every other living thing. Solid/liquid/gas/interactive(fire and
Plasma) and consciousness or the nominal.
The phase states in themselves can be attached to the chakras or emotions
each of which has duality.
The cosmos is a biological system. The Earth is too. So is man and man's
cells.
Man is the cosmos on a smaller scale. But scale is seeing the difference.
It is because of this that everything that is alive will display emotions in
some way or another and these
emotions have a duality. Everything has. The difference between mankind and
the other living things is that
man, by his/her makeup, is a complete replica of the cosmo's. As a species
man is like God more than any other.
It is not that man or man's ego is the measurement in this case. It is clear
to see that such living things do belong to
the Earth which in turn belongs to the cosmo's which belongs to God, which
belongs to the Void and then THE CIRCLE MUST
BE COMPLETED AS IS THE CASE IN MAN TO BE COMPLETETLY UNIFIED. Man has
unified. Other creatures
are on their way.
Ben
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