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Recieved: 2001/01/28 02:59
Subject: Re: [K-list] Both Pleasure and Pain are symptoms of Dis-ease - Valerie
From: Christopher Wynter
On 2001/01/28 02:59, Christopher Wynter posted thus to the K-list:
Hello Valerie ==
I am going to answer this in two parts
because of the length of the reply
At 07:08 PM 28/01/01, Valerie wrote:
> > Pain is the body's way of telling a person that what is
> > presented in the mirror is the reflection of some past
> > holding pattern which is causing "dis-ease"
> > to the physical organism ..
>
>Can you say why it is that physical traumas occur in the here & now which
>cause pain - again seemlingly in the here & now?
The experience of the pain is in the here and now awareness
>I mean - if we are hit by
>a truck it causes a LOT of physical pain. Are you saying that even these
>random traumas resulting in physical pain are somehow caused by reflections
>of past holding patterns? And - if so - why?
If you were fully conscious, you would not be in a position to be hit by
a truck ..
Accidents like this are caused by an unconscious death wish ..
an unconscious wish to be punished .. or traumatised ..
Each person is, consciously or unconsciously the creator of their own reality.
Just as we can know in moments of "serendipity" who it is that
is on the 'phone, so the same awareness is available when we
are driving or walking down the street. The conscious or unconscious
choice is ours whether we place ourselves in the path of an
oncoming truck ,, or whether we walk around with a big
neon sign of unconscious thought flashing over our head
saying "please rape me" .. or "please bash me up".
If we are conscious, we either will not place ourselves on the street at
the precise time the potential truck, rapist or basher is there ..
or we will walk down the street with inpunity.
> > It is a re-mind-er
> > of something held in the cellular
> > memory of the unconscious mind
> > which needs resolution.
>
>I still cannot ken how random violence & the pain thereof comes from
>cellular memories. How is it that the random aggressor is involved in the
>trauma; is it a shared cellular memory? Are they just random dupes within
>our personal cellular memories?
Nothing is random .. for the reasons outlined above.
When I go through the life patterns for a person involved in any major
trauma I can identify a pattern which is repeated over time, getting more
severe as the person grows older.
You may not be aware that, for example, your mother wished the foetus
inside her was dead. (and there are a lot of mothers who have that wish ..
consciously and unconsciously)
Now, if that projection from your mother (or father) came often enough and
strong enough, unless ALL emotional ties to mother (or father) are cut,
the child, as it grows up, will subconsciously create the situation to
fulfill that wish .. as regular as clockwork ..(and the pattern is predictable)
until the wish is fulfilled.
More in part 2 ..
I hope these examples help ...
and, yes Valerie , you have taken this a step further than I was originally
referring to in my post .. but the same principles apply ..
Does this help ..?
(BTW .. the same rules apply in our relationships ..!)
Christopher Wynter
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