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Recieved: 2001/01/19 20:03
Subject: Re: [K-list] another thought on activism
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2001/01/19 20:03, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 12:00 PM 1/19/01, CLEOCATRAsATnospamaol.com wrote:
>Well, I know there are many times Angelique and I have gone round and round
>about me sacrificing for someone else's situation to get better.
yup.. me talking about taking the stone from your own eye first.. :)
> I am not
>saying she is not right, by any means. I just only knew a very few things in
>this realm of our discussion.
>
>My current philosophy is there are some who involve themselves in inflicting
>apparent harm and suffering onto other people. These "some" are radically
>purposeful and very obvious, others and an even larger group, shrouds their
>agenda in "higher purpose", but whose long term effect is also creating an
>unknown future hardship maybe even more profound and that most of us cannot
>foresee... on the opposite end of this spectrum are the recipients of these
>things...
Yup.. as your own Good intentions and "higher purpose" keeps creating
extra hardship for yourself...
Every action and equal and opposite reaction. Missionaries spreading
plague along with the Bibles, etc etc.. I love Gandhi, but I consider that
if India was still a British colony, it probably would not be testing
nuclear weapons.. the past is the past..
I contemplate these things, then I surrender them and go eat lunch. :)
>now if we are talking about survival here, who is surviving? Those with the
>aggressive, or assertive undesireable attributes, is who! As someone said it
>on this list the women burned as witches were those who had special talent.
>What kind of social darwinism is that???
The wheel of Karma.. I read once someone speculating that the
Holocaust was Karmic payback for Jherico, Soddom and Gomorrah, etc.. The
Hebrew people have done their own share of persecution, what was it said
about the sins of the Fathers unto the 7th generation? It is a Hebrew
belief, I think.. I'm not saying I agree with the speculation, I'm simply
putting the idea up for discussion.
What goes around comes around. Natural selection.. the Witches who
survived are stronger than the ones who perished, and smart enough to head
for the hills, this time around.. :) Stronger and more numerous than they
have ever been.
Sweetie, you are a radical feminist Pro-Dom sadist, and you know too
well that there are many who consider that to be an aggressive, assertive
undesirable attribute.. I'm not saying they are right, but .... :) Your
judgments reflected back.
Australia is largely populated with the descendents of criminals
evicted from Britain, and it has a remarkably progressive, humanitarian
government that is far more prosperous than England is now.
>So lets suppose we define those people in the middle who are not really
>either victim or violator... the dont take sides. Has anyone ever considered
>the thought that it is apathy that allows the most destruction? Ommission is
>permission.
And the Pope apologized to the Hebrews for Christian inaction during
the holocaust.
>By not choosing, you have already taken sides with the aggressor or the force
>that is inflicting harm. Because Omission of your disapproval is the same as
>giving consent.
So the Dalai Lama's pacifism gave consent to the Chinese invasion of
Tibet? I don't think things can be distilled so simply.. The DL holds the
ideals of pacifism to be more important than physical survival of the body,
or the country.. like the Witches who chose death rather than conversion...
>I for one, cannot stand and watch someone I love suffering... I faithfully
>assist with the skills Goddess has given me, and Goddess faithfully keeps my
>head just barely above water...
And what about loving yourself, and helping yourself out of your own
suffering? You have to love yourself, before you can love another.. is
surviving with your head just above water enough? Is staying in that place
of hardship really being loving to yourself?
Goddess wants you to fly! There is so much more to life, than mere
survival! You are the one who is attached to the drama of self sacrifice
and martyrdom... while complaining about the aggressive who thrive...
If you create more abundance for yourself, then you have more to share..
>But Goddess miraculously does provide everything I need as I "continually
>stick my stupid neck out to assist"... Goddess gets credit for an unexpected
>$5800 which will stop a foreclosure this week, right there under my nose the
>entire time...
Yup, and you could not see it till you were up against the wall.. So
is that selective blindness Goddess' doing, or is it created by your own
fondness for the dramatic survivor-against all odds, rescued at the last
minute, perils of Pauline hero game? LOL!!
You keep arguing in favor of it.. you can have it. It's your game. Why
stop now, just when you are enjoying it so much? Have fun at it.. :)
Please do consider if there might be deeper layers to adrenaline
addiction, below the obvious ones that you already cleared, that are still
driving you to manifest un-necessary drama. We both know what effect that
kind of stress has on your health... and how your health affects those
around you.
With love....:)
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