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Recieved: 2001/01/16 16:10
Subject: Re: [K-list] Beyond the Veils (Magda)
From: A. Noriega-Gonzalez
On 2001/01/16 16:10, A. Noriega-Gonzalez posted thus to the K-list:
On 1/16/01 6:17 PM, "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> wrote:
>
>> At 06:42 PM 16/01/01, you wrote:
>>>> For those who are interested,
>>>> I am taking a group
>>>> of people through the consciousness of death.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't that the very essence of Initiation anyway?
>>
>> Magda
>>
>> a good question ..
>> from the past way of doing things ..
>>
>> But I do not see it this way .. nor is this my intent.
>>
>> As I see it, to look at this as an initiation (from the definition)
>> is for the one conducting the initiation to take power and
>> "responsibility" from the one being "initiated"
>>
>> or for the initiate to hand over some of their own integrity
>> in the pursuit of some outcome which they seek.
>>
>>
>> I will never deny the integrity of any individual
>> to their own path
>>
>> nor will I assume or allow myself to be
>> placed in a position where someone
>> places me on a pedestal .. or hands
>> me responsibility for their own process.
>>
>> Religion and spirituality has been full of this in the past.
>
> Well... it seems to be a bit of misunderstanding here. To be *initiated*
> according to my definitions is not to be a member of a certain society nor a
> group, it's simply a stage of evolution or experience causing spesific
> configurations in our higher bodies. That is, a person can be *initiated* to
> a certain degree, without even knowing it consciously, without having even
> any knowledge of any esoteric *doctrine*.
>
>>
>> What I am offering is an opportunity for understanding
>> which goes beyond learning .. and those who chose
>> may then, with their own remembering awakened
>> ALLOW the process to take place within themselves.
>>
>> Thus, the inner "guru" or "healer" within the individual
>> moves through the veils into consciousness ..
>>
>> and no one .. no priest, healer or teacher
>> stands between the individual and the self.
>>
>> This is then a contract between the individual personality
>> and the Individual expression of the "Self"
>>
>> Thus .. it is not, according to the definition
>> an initiation
>>
>> Christopher Wynter
>
> However, what you just said sounds like a very perfect definition of
> initiation to me! Whenever we overcomes attachments to the world around us,
> the more detached we becomes from every bondage of limitations in the
> physical, the emotional or mental realms, the more we begin to live the
> world *after death* in our everyday life. The two worlds blends, unites...
> This is what I call initiation: The Yoga (unification) of these two worlds.
> Just as sleep is called the *brother* of death in ancient Greek tales, and
> we develop the ability to be awake during deep sleep, such is initiation to
> experience what we otherwise would experience *after death* in the living
> world.
>
> Magne Aga
... rituals of initiation (if and when deemed appropriate) are simply the
external/social symbols of internal or psychological/spiritual evolutionary
changes...
BB,
ANG
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