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Recieved: 2001/01/16 15:17
Subject: Re: [K-list] Beyond the Veils (Magda)
From: Magne Aga
On 2001/01/16 15:17, Magne Aga posted thus to the K-list:
>At 06:42 PM 16/01/01, you wrote:
>> >For those who are interested,
>> > I am taking a group
>> > of people through the consciousness of death.
>> >
>>
>>Isn't that the very essence of Initiation anyway?
>
>Magda
>
>a good question ..
> from the past way of doing things ..
>
>But I do not see it this way .. nor is this my intent.
>
>As I see it, to look at this as an initiation (from the definition)
>is for the one conducting the initiation to take power and
>"responsibility" from the one being "initiated"
>
>or for the initiate to hand over some of their own integrity
> in the pursuit of some outcome which they seek.
>I will never deny the integrity of any individual
> to their own path
>
> nor will I assume or allow myself to be
> placed in a position where someone
> places me on a pedestal .. or hands
> me responsibility for their own process.
>
>Religion and spirituality has been full of this in the past.
>
Well... it seems to be a bit of misunderstanding here. To be *initiated*
according to my definitions is not to be a member of a certain society nor a
group, it's simply a stage of evolution or experience causing spesific
configurations in our higher bodies. That is, a person can be *initiated* to
a certain degree, without even knowing it consciously, without having even
any knowledge of any esoteric *doctrine*.
>
>What I am offering is an opportunity for understanding
>which goes beyond learning .. and those who chose
>may then, with their own remembering awakened
>ALLOW the process to take place within themselves.
>
>Thus, the inner "guru" or "healer" within the individual
>moves through the veils into consciousness ..
>
>and no one .. no priest, healer or teacher
> stands between the individual and the self.
>
>This is then a contract between the individual personality
> and the Individual expression of the "Self"
>
>Thus .. it is not, according to the definition
> an initiation
>
>Christopher Wynter
However, what you just said sounds like a very perfect definition of
initiation to me! Whenever we overcomes attachments to the world around us,
the more detached we becomes from every bondage of limitations in the
physical, the emotional or mental realms, the more we begin to live the
world *after death* in our everyday life. The two worlds blends, unites...
This is what I call initiation: The Yoga (unification) of these two worlds.
Just as sleep is called the *brother* of death in ancient Greek tales, and
we develop the ability to be awake during deep sleep, such is initiation to
experience what we otherwise would experience *after death* in the living
world.
Magne Aga
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