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Recieved: 2001/01/08 02:23
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Is Evolution Catching?
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2001/01/08 02:23, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 08:59 PM 1/7/01, Samantha Atkins wrote:
>Did I mention being a double Gemini and quite mercurial? :) Today I am
>in a more skeptical/testing mode so please bear with me.
I have zero interest in being "tested", and less patience with
skeptics who want to use science to disprove mythology. My position is
faith based, based on my own experience, what is resonant for me. Your
mileage may vary.
Science is only another kind of mythology. Scientists believe in things
they cannot see or prove, too. Arguing science with mythology is absurd..
>There is no mechanism by which the
>DNA changes that produce one species would travel backward to an earlier
>species and become parts of its DNA that I am aware of.
Who said they did?
> Natural
>Selection is only one of the methods by which evoluion, changes in the
>genetic structure of a population over time, takes place. Which two
>coming together? Creationism has zero evidence in its favor.
Actually, if you consider that we cannot know the length of God's
"day" it makes some sense. The Genesis story does approximately follow the
order of creation as we know it.
> There is no evidence at my
>disposal currently that all DNA on this planet is a collective
>consciousnes.
ROTFLOL!!! There is no evidence that God exists, or that there is
any kind of collective consciousness. There is no evidence that Kundalini
itself exists. So what? What's your point?
> That it sometimes feels this way to my intuition is not
>enough for me to believe this at this time or to believe that a tree is
>every bit as conscious and self-aware as we are.
Ever talk to a tree? Ask it if it is self aware.
I'm sorry you do not have faith in your intuition, but that is hardly
a reason to go after my beliefs. Resolve it within yourself.
>I do not know how separate primitive cultures end up with very similar
>creation stories although common human experience and needs might cover
>part of it. But it doesn't follow that this unexplained correlation is
>because there is a Cosmic Kundalini snake embedded in everyone's
>consciousness. For one thing, a lot more than just snake symbolism is
>shared by many cultures.
I wonder who you are arguing with? Mythology?
Kundalini is inherent potential in every person. It is often described
as a Serpent. There is no proof that it exists. So what? Do you have a
better explanation?
It is easy to tear down any statement someone can make. Simply to do so
because you are in a "mood" is usually considered rude. Respect for other
paths is a list guideline. I am sharing my path.
>DNA is only part of what makes you you.
You want to rehash the whole nature/nurture argument? It has not been
conclusively resolved by anyone so far.. thus, it remains in the realm of
opinion. Not fact.
What is a fact, is that I have this quote from Osho on page 1 of the
Tantra course preview.
"Always remember, whatsoever I say to you, you can take it in two ways. You
can simply take it on my authority, 'Because I say so, it must be true' --
then you will suffer, then you will not grow. Whatsoever I say, listen to
it, try to understand it, implement it in your life, see how it works, and
then come to your own conclusions. They may be the same, they may not be.
They can never be exactly the same because you have a different
personality, a unique being. Whatsoever I am saying is my own. It is bound
to be in deep ways rooted in me. You may come to similar conclusions, but
they cannot be exactly the same. So my conclusions should not be made your
conclusions. You should try to understand me, you should try to learn, but
you should not collect knowledge from me, you should not collect
conclusions from me. Then your mind-body will grow.
My message is not a doctrine, not a philosophy. My message is a certain
alchemy, a science of transformation." Osho.
You are not trying to understand it, you are simply using it to sharpen
your skeptic's claws on. I'm not your scratching post, kitty.
> Some DNA in ALL human beings
>(not just males), known as transposons, is silent. It seems to not
>produce anything in human beings that we know of. If we arose by
>evolution it is to be expected that quite a bit of DNA would be
>left-over junk that has been de-activated over time but that does no
>harm anything enough being there to have been eliminated by natural
>selection and is thus copied and passed along like all of the rest.
Can you prove it has no purpose?
>There is no evidence I know of that people with K experience have any of
>that other DNA activated although there has been speculation about it.
There is no evidence Kundalini itself exists, but we still have a list
about it.
Want to test my DNA? I'll be happy to send you a sample.
>There is no evidence that some alien race hid themselves in our genetic
>structure although it is certainly a clever way to lay low for quite
>some time.
LOL!! Tell it to the Ayathusca Shaman. You are arguing with
mythology. Want to try to prove Zeus did not exist, next? That Kali is a
figment of imagination? Have fun at it.
> > What scientists think is your dormant DNA is actually a multiple
> > redundancy system. Encoded into that system is all of your vast potential
> > for miracles. Now how does DNA connect with Kundalini?
>
>Any evidence?
Can you prove that it is not? Do you have a better explanation?
> And it is through our
> > DNA, through that piezio-electrical, vibrational exchange going on inside
> > of us, there's an aspect of how we become unified with all life on this
> > planet. We talked about the Kundalini serpents.
>
>What piezo-electric exchange is this?
DNA vibrates when charged, giving off piezioelectric light. The Fire
of the Serpent. Want proof? Go talk to Dan Winter. I am a Shaman, not a
scientist.. but I do glow blue when charged. :)
>I have intuitively experienced walking through generation after
>generation of women back to pre-history. I have looked out of their
>eyes and known their cares and the sometimes horrible decisions that it
>fell to them to make for the good of their people and of their
>children's children's children. I have experienced the Grand-Mother. I
>understand why the Mother gave way to the Sky God for a time at an
>intuitive level.
:) Can you prove it? No? And what is it you are wanting me to prove,
then?? Shall I sharpen my claws on your experiential mythology?
>Perhaps. But it does not quite ring true to me at this time.
Your mileage may vary.
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