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Recieved: 2001/01/01 05:48
Subject: Re: [K-list] my experiences.Normal? .. Ben . 4
From: Christopher Wynter

I'm not going to enter an argument of semantics here Ben ..
except to say ....

>The senses are
>transitory. The only last for X amount of time. With death they stop
>functioning as does the body. However this is the phenouminal aspect of the
>senses. We then have the nouminal aspect of the senses and how they relate
>to mind. Feelings with nerve ending. This process is nouminal but is also
>transitory.

You are forgetting the rest of the spectrum ...

The experience of the senses exists in the Bardo after the death of the
physical ..
(read again The Tibetan Book of the Dead .. in Tibetan if you can ..)

Emotions still exist after death ..
  the only thing is that you can't do anything about them ...

and

You still feel the thoughts of others (especially the prayers)
  after you have died and left the body .. they have mass and energy

This I know from experience and my remembering of that experience ..
and from my work with others in this field.

Nerve endings have an energetic or etheric counterpart and it is this
which still operates after the death of the physical. (see below)

Disembodied thoughts also have a sense ..
  or a life-force of their own ...
  and they are "magnetically" polarised
  (and they can also be measured and their actions
  predictively plotted).

> > Density ..
> > each of what people call the chakras is representative
> > of a density of Consciousness .. where physical existence
> > is the densest .. followed by the vital .. the emotional .. the
> > mental .. etc...
>
>I see. I myself do not take that view in terms of measurements. I feel that
>if one should use a more scaler approach. To place anything in 'degrees of',
>or positioning, or calculated, tends to throw myself of track. I tend not to
>judge this way, although I do see scales as in the case of Fractels.

If you do this, you are only operating in a linear 3 dimensional model.

a closer understanding can be gained by working with 3D holograms
where each of the "densities" is the hologram of the others and the whole ..

in terms where each of the holograms also occupies at once and the same
time an octave in the time continuum (or spectrum)
and an octave in the space continuum ..
where both time and space are separate and 3D but each is also
a hologram of the other ...

and the energies of each of the density holograms can be measured magnetically
(using currently available electronic equipment) and translated into Vectors
using 3D Fourier analysis.

> > So .. unless you embrace all of existence,
> > you are merely working in the realm of the mind ..
> > which is the product of physical matter ...
>
>Again, here I do not see one being the mother of the other. That is not the
>way I see things.

I did not say this .. I wrote "embrace all existence' .. which is a continuum
of dimensions of time and space, time within space
  and space within time .. as a hologram

> > and all the working in the mental realm does is change the
> > nature of your thoughts ..
>
>Although there is a degree of psychological transmutation the mind as I see
>it has nothing to do with 'just the brain alone' or a 'mental realm'.
>Consciousness is awareness. IAM. I think therefore IAM.

Wrong ..

Consciousness is the expression of

  I AM .. thereby I think ...

it is the nature of the mind to turn it the other way.

No. Ben I do not have a PhD ..
  but I used to work as a research engineer
  for the Government in an Bio Electronics Laboratory ..
  and had a lot of fun with some very sophisticated equipment ..
   and a very powerful mainframe computer ..

Try 3D Fractals as Holograms ...
_____________________

This is as far as I am going to take this with you ..
  either on list or off ...You can learn all you like from the books ..
and from their ideas ..
  but nothing can replace the experience ...

and the medical validation of the paradigm ..

  that as I change my thoughts about myself
  from making my self realisation real in my physical body ..
   so I changed my DNA

and this has been duplicated in my work with others ..
  especially children

CW

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