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From: b.holland
On 2001/01/01 04:41, b.holland posted thus to the K-list:
----- Original Message -----
From: "b.holland" <b.hollandATnospamworldonline.cz>
To: "Christopher Wynter" <anundaATnospamone.net.au>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [K-list] my experiences.Normal? .. Ben . 3
> > From the Merriam Webster Dictionary ..
> >
> > Main Entry: tran·scend
> > Pronunciation: tran(t)-'send
> > Function: verb
> > Etymology: Middle English, from Latin transcendere to climb across,
> > transcend, from trans- + scandere to climb -- more at SCAN
> > Date: 14th century
> > transitive senses
> > 1 a : to rise above or go beyond the limits of b : to triumph over the
> > negative or restrictive aspects of : OVERCOME c : to be prior to,
beyond,
> > and above (the universe or material existence)
> > 2 : to outstrip or outdo in some attribute, quality, or power
> > intransitive senses : to rise above or extend notably beyond ordinary
> limits
>
> Yes, but the Oxford has crisper definitions of transendence.
>
> transcend /transend, trn-/ v. ME. [OFr. transcendre or L trans(s)cendere
> climb over, surmount, f. as TRANS- + scandere climb.] 1 v.t. Go beyond or
> exceed the limits of (something immaterial); esp. be beyond the range or
> grasp of (human experience, reason, belief, etc.). ME. b Be above and
> independent of; (esp. of God) exist apart from the limitations of (the
> material universe). L19. 2 v.t. Surpass, excel, or exceed, esp. in a
> specified quality or attribute. LME. 3 v.t. Cross or surmount (a physical
> obstacle or limit, as a river, mountain, etc.). LME-L17. 4 v.i. Ascend, go
> up, rise. LME-E17. 5 v.i. Be transcendent; excel. arch. E16.transcendible
a.
> (rare) able to be transcended L17. transcendingly adv. in a transcending
> manner, transcendently E16. transcendingness n. the state of being
> transcending, transcendence M18.
>
> transcendental /transendent()l, trn-/ a. & n. E17. [med.L
transcendentalis,
> f. as prec.: see -AL1.] A adj. 1 Of, pertaining to, or belonging to the
> divine as opp. to the natural or moral world. Only in E17. 2 Philos. a In
> scholastic philosophy, = TRANSCENDENT a. 2a. M17. b Chiefly in Kantian
> philosophy, presupposed in and necessary to experience; a priori. L18. c
In
> Schellingian philosophy, explaining matter and objective things as
products
> of the subjective mind. E20. 3 = TRANSCENDENT a. 1. E18. b Superrational,
> superhuman, supernatural. E19. c Abstract, metaphysical; vague, obscure.
> M19. d Esp. in Emersonian thought: regarding the divine as the guiding
> principle in man. M19. 4 Math. Not able to be produced by (a finite number
> of) the ordinary algebraical operations of addition, multiplication,
> involution, or their inverse operations; expressible, in terms of one
> variable, only in the form of an infinite series (as, for example, the
> logarithmic, sine, and exponential functions). E18.Special collocations:
> transcendental argument: to prove the existence of something as a
necessary
> presupposition. Transcendental Meditation a method of silent meditation
and
> the repetition of a mantra, based on Eastern mysticism, used to promote
> relaxation and detachment. Transcendental Meditator a person who practises
> Transcendental Meditation. transcendental object a real (unknown and
> unknowable) object. transcendental unity unity brought about by cognition.
B
> n. A transcendental conception, term, or quantity. E17. Transcendental
> Meditation is a proprietary name in the US.transcendentality n. (rare)
> transcendental quality M19. transcendentalization n. the action or an act
of
> transcendentalizing; an instance of this: M20. transcendentalize v.t. make
> transcendent or transcendental M19. transcendentally adv. E19
> > Oh .. and BTW .. the choice to come back was entirely mine ..
> > no-one makes a choice for anyone
> > unless they give their power away to another person ..
>
> Okay.
> > I decided it was easier to repair this battered body
> > than come back again as a child
> > and have to go through the whole repression process again.
>
> Okay.
>
> > You see, Ben ..
> > when the throat is open,
> > it's very easy to explain things in simple English words
> > with out needing a Dictionary.
>
> I understand that but at the same time this is an e-mail correspondence
and
> some things may have to clarified a bit better in order to see that or I
> have understand of the vocab or descriptions in use, especially given the
> nature of the topic at hand.
>
> > > From experience, ignoring the physical body will only lead to
> > > immediate reincarnation .. because the soul (so called) needs
> > > a physical body in order to clear several of its densities.
> >
> > To which Ben replied ..
> >
> > > I have never said anything about ignoring the physical body, nor
> > > have I said anything about ignoring anything.
> >
> > If you transcend any experience you do not embrace it.
> > If you transcend the senses, you do not embrace them.
> >
> > If you do not embrace them,
> > they still remain .. in another density of consciousness ..
>
> This is not what I mean by transendence of the transitory. The senses are
> transitory. The only last for X amount of time. With death they stop
> functioning as does the body. However this is the phenouminal aspect of
the
> senses. We then have the nouminal aspect of the senses and how they relate
> to mind. Feelings with nerve ending. This process is nouminal but is also
> transitory.
> transitory /transt()ri, trns-, -nz-/ a. & n. LME. [AN transitorie, (O)Fr.
> transitoire, f. Chr.L transitorius, f. as TRANSIT v.: see -ORY2.] A adj. 1
> Not permanent or lasting; fleeting, momentary, brief; transient. LME. 2 Of
> the nature of a passage or transition; transitional. rare. L16. 3 Law.
> transitory action, an action that may be brought in any country
irrespective
> of where the transaction etc. originated. M17. 4 Trifling, of little
moment.
> Only in L17. B n. 1 A device for viewing an astronomical transit; orig.,
the
> transverse piece of a cross-staff. L16-M18. 2 A transitory or fleeting
> thing. Usu. in pl. Only in M17.transitorily adv. E17. transitoriness n.
L16
>
> What I mean here is that these senses are physical, psychological and
> psychical phenomina. There are a means to an end but are still transitory.
> However, when something natural occurs like death, the senses collapse,
fail
> and then slowey become nouminal. It is during this nouminal period that
one
> is in the realm of the Bardo which is quite simply the mind in it's
> nakedness with the chakras. The chakras can be collapsed into one. If
> sucessfully done (along with some other things) liberation is obtained
from
> karma based situations such a rebirth. The process itself can be as quick
as
> a split second or as long as 49 days.
>
> > Density ..
> > each of what people call the chakras is representative
> > of a density of Consciousness .. where physical existence
> > is the densest .. followed by the vital .. the emotional .. the
> > mental .. etc...
>
> I see. I myself do not take that view in terms of measurements. I feel
that
> if one should use a more scaler approach. To place anything in 'degrees
of',
> or positioning, or calculated, tends to throw myself of track. I tend not
to
> judge this way, although I do see scales as in the case of Fractels.
>
> > So .. unless you embrace all of existence,
> > you are merely working in the realm of the mind ..
> > which is the product of physical matter ...
>
> Again, here I do not see one being the mother of the other. That is not
the
> way I see things.
>
> > and all the working in the mental realm does is change the
> > nature of your thoughts ..
>
> Although there is a degree of psychological transmutation the mind as I
see
> it has nothing to do with 'just the brain alone' or a 'mental realm'.
> Consciousness is awareness. IAM. I think therefore IAM. However every
person
> has a character. The character is the persona. It is lent form by chaos,
> unmodulated. That is personality is lent it's form by the very divisions
> that many people seek to understand here. Divisions of how everything can
> seem sepoarte and yet is only one. Personality lends form to this. Reality
> does not dictate it. Personality does. When the nature of the mind, which
is
> not in the brain, is understood with complete understand the veil of maya
is
> lifted. With the lifting the persona is no longer unmodulated in chaos.
> Chaos by the way is not in refernce to something bad. Instead the mind is
> known in it's nakedness at it's base level. All personalities existing are
> seen the same chaos, for everyone and all minds known in their nakedness
are
> the same. The all share the same space. They are singularities. This is
the
> at-one-ment. Then there is more work to do following this.
>
>
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