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Recieved: 2001/01/01 02:46
Subject: Re: [K-list] my experiences.Normal? .. Ben .. 2
From: b.holland
On 2001/01/01 02:46, b.holland posted thus to the K-list:
>
> Why did you read this into what I wrote..?
Because you ask me to explain illusion as it relates to someone who is
preoccupied with a very material and phenominal experiance. That is hard to
do. As is the case with very many people on this planet who are presently
occupied with such things.
> Please do not use words that have no meaning or resonance to the genetic
> English speaking body .. These are the signs of Knowledge .. not of
Wisdom.
I would have to disagree with the fact that there are no signs of wisdom or
that wisdom has no meaning. It is explained in the dictionary and can be
understood quite crisply.
> I did ask you for your words .. I would like to hear what Ben has to say
.. not
> what I can read in some text he has quoted .. especially when I can read
the
> original Tibetan and Sanskrit .. and have no need to resort to English
> translitrations.
What I said, is what I said, and came from within. You need to trust me a
bit more like I do you having spent time to answer your question.
> You are here in a body .. on Earth. Thus there is a role for the primary
> senses.
Yes that is correct. I never said that it was not. A body is hard to obtain.
> From experience, ignoring the physical body will only lead to immediate
> reincarnation .. because the soul (so called) needs a physical body in
> order to clear several of its densities.
I do not know what you mean by densities? Can you explain what you mean by
this? I have never said anything about ignoring the physical body, nor have
I said anything about ignoring anything.
> This I know from the experience and the full remembering of having been
> clinically dead on three occasions in this life time. You see, I had to
come
> back to a body to clear the lower elements of the pentad .. because this
> cannot be done in the non physical realms ..
That is choice you made or had made for you.
> No ..
>
> it takes no time at all .. just the removal of everything one has learned.
> A PhD or other academic qualification is actually an impediment.
I would disagree that any experiance of anything is an impediment to
understanding something that is very subtle. In fact having a PhD in some
areas will help. The time it takes one to understand can be many lifetimes
or many moments. It is all relative to the persona.
> What does this mean to you in your life ..
> Jesus and the Buddha were simple men who said very little ..
They may have said little, but said much.
> I did not say I did not know the meaning of the words .. I asked you
> what it meant to you .. I can quote the books as easily as you can ..
> but can you talk of your experience in words that are not of the books ..?
I am and have done so. The references are there for those who care to pursue
the matter in detail.
>
> >Within this yoga we find a number of thinking processes that help us to
> >attain the objectives listed above. One must mentate on things like what
is
> >karma? Karma is the sum of a person's actions, esp. intentional actions,
> >regarded as determining that person's future states of existence. But
karma
> >itself is transitory and needs to be transcended. In fact man is
transitory
> >by his/her very nature. That too much be transcended. There is much that
> >requires transcendence.
>
> There is no-thing that requires one to rise over it ..
>
> people often forget that for one thing to exist,
> the opposite must also exist ..
>
> when one finds .. and merges the opposites of the pair,
> neither exists separately .. the essence of Tantra .. and Yoga
>
> transcendance merely shifts the fulcrum of the pendulum
> so that what used to exist still does .. in another time and
space
I never said rise over. I said Transcend. This is why I asked that if one
did not know that meaning of words to look them up.
> If the ego were lost, you would have no existence within the whole.
The ego is lost when it is noticed to be but the play-thing of maya. It does
not vanish but instead merges with the whole. However the whole must be seen
in terms of being the illusionary in order for the void to be recognized by
cognitive faculties that are indescribable.
Hope this helps.
Ben
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