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Recieved: 2000/12/31 19:18
Subject: Re: [K-list] my experiences.Normal? .. Ben
From: jb

On 2000/12/31 19:18, jb posted thus to the K-list:

On 1/1/01 at 11:52 AM Christopher Wynter wrote:

°Ben ..
°
°from your perspective and experience ..
°
°can you define "illusion" ..
°
°It is perhaps difficult to explain in the moment
°to someone suffering the pain of a broken bone
°or a severe digestive upset ..
°
° that what they are experiencing is an "illusion".

Oh - but I can, having broken a foot (ankle broken plus two mid-foot fractures)
and I can assure it was painful. But when the pain exceeds a certain threshold,
either one faints, or suddenly, the pain is hardly felt anymore - that happened to me.
So there is a "reality beyond pleasure and pain" where both (chemical) bliss and pain
could be called illusory, in the sense that it is possible to "forget" or look "beyond".

°
°Can you also bring into the context of the word "illusion"
°these experiences of a "broken heart" experienced by someone
°who has just gone through the experience of losing a long term lover ..

Strictly speaking, there is no difference but it is far more difficult to
verify that. All feelings can be seen (even literally) as flows of energy
and when suddenly such a flow is blocked, it will cause extreme pain.
Knowing this won't change that one bit but can ease it somewhat, by diverting
the energy...
°
°Isn't the concept of "illusion" an act of denial
°of the fact that the five primary senses are
°telling us what within us needs to be healed ..?
°
°CW

The classical example of illusion is interpreting the image of a rope for a snake
and when it is known there is a reality "beyond" feeling, this is not to renounce
feeling but to live more aware, loving and compassionate :)

BTW, my foot was healed in four weeks :)


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