To: K-list
Recieved: 2000/11/02 01:50
Subject: [K-list] Amrita (immortals and mortals)
From: Wim Borsboom
On 2000/11/02 01:50, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Mace,
I selected some sentences from your friend's frog story. All those selected
sentences have something to do with death. I have surrounded all the death
words with*stars*
(For K list members I have added the complete story to the end of this
post.)
Your friend wrote:
> to stop, that they were as good as *dead.*<......>
> frogs were saying and simply gave up. He fell down and *died*.<.....>
> 1) There is power of life and *death* in the tongue.<.....>
> what it takes to *kill* them. Be careful of what you <.....>
> when you are in a life or *death* situation, can be a good thing.
<.....>
Did you not know that death actually does not exist...?
Death is only a concept in the eye of a beholder who sees another living
entity go through a 'certain end of cycle transformation (CECT)'. This
transformation has certain special characteristics that the beholder calls
'death'. In fact most other beholders who themselves do not show those
special CECT characteristics, call it 'death' as well. But notice that it is
only a consensual concept, an 'agreed upon something' amongst those
beholders who themselves actually have not gone through that certain
transformative experience.
It is like people talking, writing and having opinions about spinach, people
who actually never may have seen, let alone eaten spinach.
Those beings who actually have gone through CECTs and who have been able to
somehow 'make it back' will tell you that *death* AS described and
identified by its beholders did not take place... indeed they bear witness
of something called 'immortality', 'amrita', 'eternal existence'.
The beholders of death, never seriously ask themselves, "What is it, that a
subject of that certain transformation goes through?" If they would consider
that even a little bit, they know that they cannot say anything sensible
about it. The reality of that occurrence is not within their own experience.
If they would actually wonder about that, they would definitely describe and
name that transformation as something else than something so absolute as
death.
Death, by definition and logically does not exist. When it is defined as the
end of existence, *death itself* cannot exist. It cannot be treated as
something like a piece of cheese. Except maybe in the context of the 'high
cost of dying' or internment as opposed to the 'high cost of living'. The
word 'death' used more properly, is more like a hole in a piece of cheese,
the hole does not exist, the hole is a concept, only the cheese exists.
Well it is getting complex now.
'Death' is not something that philosophically and psychologically has the
same tangebility as an object such as a pipe. Remember the picture of a
"pipe" by Magritte called: "This is not a pipe". The concept of death is
somewhat like that. Death is also definitely not a pipe. :)
Do I get everybody neatly confused here, good!
I have gone through seven NDEs (Near Death Experiences), five in the first
six years of my life, the sixth one in Holland about 5 years ago. The
seventh NDE 'never' happened that night 2 years ago in Denver when I was
there after the school shootings. It is only since the seventh, (the one
that never happened) that I absolutely know that I am immortal and that
everything is.
You too Mace.
Mortals are the ones that are convinced in their opinion that living
entities die, immortals are the ones that have experienced an CECT.
Love and Amrita,
(Ambrosia)
Wim
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The frog story is interesting, it comes from Harsha's Satsang , I thought it
would be good to also have the K-list members read it.
>>>>Forwarded from a friend:
A group of frogs were traveling through the woods, and
two of them fell into a deep pit. All the other frogs
gathered around the pit.
When they saw how deep the pit was, they told the
unfortunate frogs they would never get out. The two
frogs ignored the comments and tried to jump up
out of the pit. The other frogs kept telling them
to stop, that they were as good as dead.
Finally, one of the frogs took heed to what the other
frogs were saying and simply gave up. He fell down and
died. The other frog continued to jump as hard as he could.
Once again, the crowd of frogs yelled at him to stop
the pain and suffering and just die. He jumped even
harder and finally made it out. Leaping for joy!
When he got out, the other frogs asked him, "Why did
you continue jumping? Didn't you hear us?" The frog
explained to them that he was deaf.
He thought they were encouraging him the entire time.
This story teaches three lessons:
1) There is power of life and death in the tongue.
An encouraging word to someone who is
down can lift them up and help them make it through the day.
2) A destructive word to someone who is down can be
what it takes to kill them. Be careful of what you
say. Speak life to those who cross your path.
3) Turning a deaf ear to all the destructive words
when you are in a life or death situation, can be a good thing.
The power of words ... it is sometimes hard to understand
that an encouraging word can go such a long way.
Anyone can speak words that tend to rob another of
their spirit to continue in difficult times.
Special is the individual who will take the time to
encourage another. Be a special to others. Share this
with someone you like. >>>>
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