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Recieved: 2000/10/22 02:06
Subject: Re: [K-list] Enlightenment/The Distance between Sudden and Grad
From: Ed Jason
On 2000/10/22 02:06, Ed Jason posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Wim, Harsha and fellow K-listies,
It is interesting that you both describe
an experience you have had.
As you know all experience in the Absolute
sense has no Reality.
I am sure you will agree that your
'realization', 'enlightenment' and belief
that you are reading this
has an equal illusionary nature.
The nature of the ego becomes more subtle
as it reflects/radiates divine qualities.
It is possible for a holy person
to have many qualities in place
but without a full understanding
of their best utilisation
AND
such a person can still be
of immense benefit.
As you both know understanding
leads to responsibilities.
The first responsibility is Service.
Whose development does it serve to talk
in this way?
Also:
Is kundalini a kind of Indian Pasta?
Be Well
Lobster
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> Dear Harsha,
>
> You wrote (to Harsha Satsangh):
>
> > Some say that Enlightenment is "sudden", as if struck by lightening, and
> one
> > is never the same. Some say that Realization takes place "gradually" and
> > just as the clouds evaporate and dissipate with the wind and the rain,
Sun
> > eventually shines brightly. Both views are meaningful and may be
helpful.
>
> I found that for me the two, enlightenment and realization, came one after
> the other... first enlightenment then realization. Just wait, I will
> explain.
> I had to discover that enlightenment is not the same as realization. The
> western imprecise use of the word realization indicates something
'mental',
> as in, "O, I realize that." but the original meaning of the word
realization
> is 'to make something real', realize it, make it tangible, factual, actual
> in action and function, living love, light and truth second by second.
> Whereas enlightenment flips the switch, realization is the shining through
> process.
> I am looking for a better metaphor....???? Hmmm?! OK!.
> It is like irrigating an area of land, you open the water-gate once, it
only
> takes a second ...(Enlightenment !), but then the water has to cover the
> land to be irrigated slowly. It has to reach each and every plant with
just
> the right amount of water, not the full blast, lest the tender plants get
> flushed away. Each plant has to be given what it can handle, gradually, a
> bit more every time over time (Realization). With irrigation one may open
> the water-gate once a week, the plants though experience that they get
> watered more or less continuously.
> When I got struck: "Aha, Eureka, Big Laughter". I knew that THIS was IT, I
> was over the hump, I had it made. But boy-o-boy did I get messed up, too
> much light at once. I was even rushing into it. It was like I flew into an
> halogen lamp. (Dutch: "Liep ik even tegen de lamp"). I did not 'realize'
> that I had to realize that light.... make it real. Oh, I got IT straight,
> and all of it, the full blast... the full Light of Truth, Knowledge and
> Love. But that Knowledge did not become Power (Don Juan). The Light did
not
> become Matter. That is the law on earth we have to turn light into matter,
> we have to materialize it, manifest it, realize light in time and space.
> (Now, when you read that last part carefully there is an AHA in it.)
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