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Recieved: 2000/10/10 17:28
Subject: [K-list] Re: energy/perceptual clarity and sex
From: Bob Vincent
On 2000/10/10 17:28, Bob Vincent posted thus to the K-list:
JB,
Yes, I can relate to the letdown you experience after sex. Of course
it is true in all men because ejaculation is the giving of a huge
amount of life force for the purpose of procreation. The letdown can
be a few minutes in young men, a few hours for middle aged men, and
much longer for those whose sexual energy has a strong demand placed
on it by an awakened K. I am not sure what a long term loss of libido
is caused by, but it seems an important related question posed by
others, as libido is important in the overall K awakening process
At the most elementary level, Kundalini is sexual energy moving
upward in the body, integrating into a whole range of complex new
physiological processes. If it is one's aim to raise K, or to deal
with an already active K, then the matter of understanding and
managing sexual energy naturally becomes an important priority. There
is a parodox, because even as a man with an active K is likely to be
less active in traditional sexual relations, he can be absolutely
lost in the ecstasy of riotous "sex" going on inside every cell in
his body. I wrote some stuff about the role of sexual energy in the K
awakening process a couple of weeks ago under the subject "Whole Body
Conductivity." Those who haven't seen that already might want to take
a look.
But here we ought to get into some practical matters. Wim, it appears
you and I are very much on the same page in dealing with sexual
energy. I also concur with David on the value of having practical
methods for blocking ejaculation when necessary to preserve the vital
essense. Like you, Wim, I am not a purist in recommending hard core
celebacy, though I have practiced it in the past (15 years ago)during
the difficult transition to gain control of my sexual energy. I think
each man will do what he must when he realizes that he has to turn
the sexual process inward and upward. Who is to say what is the right
approach? Whatever works is right, as far as I'm concerned. This can
be alone, with a woman, or both. Being married for 30 years, my path
led through dual, to solo, back to dual, and finally to mostly solo
these days, though I don't view it as solo because I am making love
all the time. Fortunately my wife has a similar experience.
I think the most important task for a man is getting a handle on
ejaculation. There are basically three ways to do this:
1. Abstain altogether (very difficult. I could never do this.)
2. Learn to block ejaculation while learning to cultivate upward
(pretty easy to do solo when you know how, but only a temporary
solution until "3" is mastered.)
3. Learn to control/delay ejaculation indefinitely, remaining
preorgasmic without blocking, cultivating upward indefinitely (the
final solution, complete freedom with a partner or without one)
My process of gaining control was one of working with masturbation,
learning to block and cultivate sexual energy upward using a variety
of yogic techniques. Most important, I learned to manage sexual
energy preorgasmically. With practice, orgasm becomes a well known
place that is more and more easily stayed in front of under just
about any circumstance of stimulation. Long term arousal in front of
orgasm is analgous to and in time with sufficient cultivation
transforms itself to the self sustaining whole body arousal of K
awakening. So there is more involved than preserving a man's seed,
though this is very important. There is also the proactive effort of
transforming (cultivating) it to the higher physiology, which
involves active cultivation of sexual energy.
Once a man can manage his orgasm, then sex with a partner is no
longer something that has to be avoided. But an odd thing happens.
Once control of sexual energy is achieved so that one is free to
engage in sex, there is less interest because by this time the energy
is engaged in the very blissful inner processes higher up in the
body. In this scenario, sex eventually becomes subtle in a marital
relationship. A smile is orgasmic. A touch. A walk in the garden. A
beautiful sunset. All which is beautiful becomes orgasmic, and
everything becomes beautiful with the rise of divine inner
conscousness. Is this what you were describing also, Susan? It
appears so.
In sex with a partner, ejaculation is not ruled out completely. it
becomes a balance of the inner and outer play of energy. If a woman
understands what a man is doing with his sexual energy, and he with
hers, it can be a beautiful dance of tantric cultivation that
can go on for hours. It involves cooperation in redirecting some
basic instincts which govern the giving and receiving of the sacred
seed of procreation. This is the seed of Kundalini also and that is a
different kind of play of consciousness.
Forgive me for not covering this also from a woman's point of view.
It is certainly not for lack of appreciation for the ecstatic journey
of women that I don't speak. I think that has been and will continue
to be said best by the lovely goddesses in residence here. :-)
Peace,
Bob
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http://www.kundalini-gateway.org
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