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Recieved: 2000/10/05 10:33
Subject: Re: [K-list] The Kundalini Experience in China
From: Ma An-Guo º¨¦wºê
On 2000/10/05 10:33, Ma An-Guo º¨¦wºê posted thus to the K-list:
| At 05:19 AM 10/2/00, =?utf-8?B?TWEgQW4tR3VvIOmmrOWuieWciw==?= wrote:
Is the above me?
;-)
Angelique wrote:
| >I just purchased the book titled "The Kundalini Experience"
| <...>
| I liked it. It is especially useful for persuading Doctors that you
| are not crazy... because it is written by one. A Doctor, I mean, not a
| crazy person.. at least, I don't think so.
:-D
One of the few lists I have found in Chinese is the list Mental-Taiwan for
local psychiatrist. Maybe I will copy some excepts to them, to see how they
respond to it, see whether they recognize something... maybe I will...
| >[ä½ ço<çs"å^ºä¸åo<å-å-Zï¼Y]
My post appeared clear to me but when people reply to me, I get to see what
you see.
Thanks to all who helped me on that one.
| I'll suggest to you what I suggested to the guy who was posting in
| Spanish.. Go to e-groups and set up a new list,
K-list-chineseATnospamegroups.com,
| or whatever... I'll give you space on the Gateway site to promote it, and
| you can jump-start the traffic by translating K-list mails into Chinese
and
| forwarding them to your list.
I already have created a list, a few months ago! Actually it is not about K
specifically but to talk about spirituality in general. So far we are two
people (!) on the list: me and a friend of mine who just joined me. I don't
see the point in having a list too specialized if I cannot even find half a
dozen people who are interested in a much broader topic. We'll see later if
need arises.
Thanks for the offer about space though. I shall remember it and come back
to you when I am ready/ need help.
| I'm really surprised you are not finding anything about K. in your own
| language, tho..
Oooops! There is some confusion here. Actually that's my fault because I
never properly introduced myself. So, here we go: my name is Augustin
Masquilier and I was born in Blois, in the central part of what is now
France. So my mother tongue is French and, together with Jacques, I am
afraid that you now have at least two frogs on your list. Coaaa! ;-)
After having met a Taiwanese girl in UK, I came to Taiwan, Republic of
China, to marry her. I have lived in Taiwan for the last 3 years.
Having said all that, I am aware that none of the above actually matters.
:-)
To come back to your offer, you understand better that "jump-starting the
traffic by translating K-list mails into Chinese" would still be for me
something above my abilities. I can read quite fluently but from recent
experience, I know that I still don't have the ability to translate
efficiently a large amount of material. I will work in that direction one
step at a time. :-)
| perhaps they simply call it something else? All those
| images of dragons and tigers.. I always thought they symbolized prana and
| Shakti.
| There does seem to be something to how different races experience K.
| differently.. like, "New Age" seems to be mostly a white folks
phenomenon..
| but other races are going thru their own changes, with different names and
| symbolism. I find it to be a very interesting topic to study, although
some
| might find it very politically incorrect..
I'd like to respond at the same time to you and to someone else who wrote to
me:
>"It interests me if people in China are getting interested in New Age
stuff,
>because so much, though not all, of New Age stuff if the influence of "the
>East" on "the West" .... if now people in
>Eastern countries are getting interested in Western writings etc. about
their
>own ancient traditions."
East or West, it is obvious that the source is the same.
When speaking about Chinese dragons, I am ready to believe that they do
represent K. Unfortunately, like in many other traditions, the original
symbolism was lost. All this dragon and tiger symbolism has been kept only
because it is part of the local folklore, to "preserve the cultural
heritage". So the Kundalini/Dragon instead of being the spirit that unifies
all the human beings in a common spiritual experience has become a symbol
specific to the Chinese people to distinguish it from the other "races" or
cultures. Thus a symbol of divine unity has become a mark of division.
The same obviously happened in the west with its Christianity. See Jesus and
the Last Super. What is the wine and the bread that are transmuted into the
Christic force if not the sexual energy or the symbol of K rising to higher
level of consciousness. I am wrong to believe that Jesus was K awakened (to
say the least)? Yet his teachings are now a mark that set us, white people,
apart. From Communion to Division again. This week, on the bus, I got
"assaulted" by a person who was "so happy to see (me)" (because I am white).
He was happy to show his ability to speak English and was especially proud
to tell me that he read the Bible everyday. I am white so I must be
Christian. I didn't feel like playing his game so I turned around and got my
book out of my bag: the book I was reading was none other than "the
Kundalini Experience". The man was so happy to be proven right: "Ah! You are
reading the Bible too!" :-)
In ancient China, they obviously have a tradition of Taoism. When I arrived
here, I was speaking to some people about a thing that I learned in UK and
that was completely new to me: the man's semen is sexual energy and "should"
be preserved and transmuted (in order to awaken the K). To my surprise they
told me that they knew about that, about some Taoist people who made a life
long practice of not spilling the semen during their love making. K was not
mentioned but it seems obvious that some Taoist "high priest" knew more
about it than the commoner.
It is even more difficult to know who knew what since all this has always
been surrounded with a lot of secrecy. Even nowadays, there must exist some
schools in China who survived and are still "hiding" their secrets. I had a
funny experience myself when friends brought me to a very secret initiation
ceremony of their religion. During this initiation (the first level of
several?), with much pomposity several "secrets" where revealed to us and in
no way were we to divulge any of those to others who hadn't been initiated.
The funny thing is that one of their secrets can now be found all over the
internet and in any bookshop: they told us where our third eye is situated!
So, god knows what teachings have really been preserved, passed from
generation to generation through initiations. But about Chinese symbology,
the deep meaning has been well lost to at least most of the population.
As far as the spiritual longings of people in China today is concerned, I
must first of all make one thing clear: there actually exist two China, the
Republic of China and the People's Republic of China. The former is usually
referred to as Taiwan and the second simply as China.
In the People's Republic, you may have heard of Falun Gong, a sect that is
being repressed there. There is actually no religious freedom. The
"catholic" priest over there are not appointed by the Pope but by the
communist party. People are largely brain washed but there remains some
groups of people who defy the party by following their religious leader. Two
famous examples are the Tibetan buddhist and the above mentioned Falun Gong.
Yet again, who knows what other religious group survive there and how much
do they really know about K and the rest. Imagine over 1 billion people:
there must be quite a few K awakened folks over there.
On the other side of the straight, in the Republic of China, the situation
is much different. Taiwan is now fully democratic. There is obviously
absolute religious freedom. Most people here burn incense, worshipping
ancestors. But there exists also a growing phenomenon that is interesting to
observe.
In the sixties, western people who were disillusioned about Christianity and
the way the Bible was usually interpreted started to look in the east for
better answers. The New Age movement is nothing else than a repackaging of
eastern ways of looking at universal truth.
In Taiwan, everything has been influenced by the western society. The
successful economy is based on the western type model: capitalism. People
here just love watching American movies on HBO. Likewise, part of the young
generation is looking at the west for answers to their own spiritual
longings. The Kundalini: they don't know. The dragon: it's just a costume
you wear to dance in the streets during festivals. All the age old teachings
have lost their meaning, only remains empty symbols. So they copied our
economy, they copy our culture (jeans, macdonalds'... ) and they are getting
ready to copy our religions.
Confucius must have been awakened yet what remains of his teachings is only
meaningless incense burning ceremonies to worship the ancestors. That does
not quench a spiritual thirst. So people converted themselves to
Christianity and now, increasingly though it is only a start, turn
themselves to the new age movement. The East is embracing a western
packaging of eastern religions. Books like "the Celestine Prophecy" and
"Conversation with God" have been very popular here, just like in the West.
But this trend has yet to pick up momentum, though I am sure it will.
Angelique mentioned Mallow's hierarchy of needs. In Mainland China, if most
have at least enough food to survive, they are still denied basic freedom.
Taiwan was also very poor only 30 years ago. Life was hard and feeding the
family was not an easy task. For the next 30 years, Taiwan experienced the
quickest economic growth the modern world has seen. Now, basic survival
instincts remain and what matters above the rest is still money. They have
been so greedy for it that they completely destroyed their environment. Now,
they are enjoying whatever material goods money can buy. They were longing
for it. They now have it. Many are happy (?) with it. Some want something
else. Taiwan has now reached the state of mind of the American people in the
50s and 60s. In the 50s the American wasted half of the world's energy to
enjoy an opulent way of life. In the 60s, many went back to nature and
spirituality. In Taiwan, 22 million people in this small island are also
using more than nature can offer. But some find out that running after money
as though there shall never be enough (scarcity consciousness) do not give
them what they truly long for.
That's why I believe that the New Age movement will pick up momentum here. I
don't think that NewAge is a white only phenomenon. I already mentioned that
I found a few NewAge web sites in Chinese. Most of those are created by
Taiwanese people and were first published this year. Very few are older than
one year.
What I hope is that I will be able to contribute by being a bridge,
especially over the language barrier. That's why I was especially looking
for books in Chinese language. With my technical questions, I was trying to
figure out if oversea Chinese (in the US for example) could join a
discussion in Chinese using the computers there.
I hope all that explains a bit more about Chinese culture and its own K
heritage as well as about my personal situation here.
It's time for me to go to bed.
Good morning to you all.
Augustin.
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