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Recieved: 2000/09/20 01:20
Subject: [K-list] K and religion poll: water
From: Ma An-Guo º¨¦wºê
On 2000/09/20 01:20, Ma An-Guo º¨¦wºê posted thus to the K-list:
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| Q. What religious visions/associations/symbolisms/patterns/motifs, etc.
have
| been part of your K awakening?"
Is my K awakened? That is open to question. I believe It is, as least
partially but I am not privy to all the K symptoms, experiences and other
visions that others share on this list. I seem to be a border line case.
Many of you can claim that before a certain date, K was not awakened but
that It has been ever since after that memorable day. Personnaly, I'd have a
hard time to give you a date. The whole process seems to be in the early
stages and takes its time to enfold, according to my state of preparedness.
I am not complaining. I am just stating this so that there is no
misunderstanding.
I don't have any vision that appears to me when I am "awake". Whatever
symbolism that reaches my "conscious" mind, comes to me through my dreams.
Nothing that is obviously religious. The key word is: Water. Water is often
interpreted as representing sexual energy which itself is closely connected
to K energy. So, whenever I dream of water, I interpret it as a signpost
that indicates the state of purity and preparedness of my sexual energy. I
must admit that I have rarely dreamt of clean water! :-( (blushing).
Depending on the situation, like many years ago, the water was so muddy that
it was almost solid. On one occasion that I remember from that time, I was
swimming underground, under the road surface of a street of the neighborhood
I lived in at the time. Dreaming of sewage like water is already an
improvement! But at times, at different periods over the years, I have
dreamt of hydroelectric power station. I would visit them, go on the top and
see how a powerful stream of water would flow through the turbines. Most of
the time, such dreams would come the same night after I purposefully
practiced some sort of Sexual Alchemy or otherwise tried to raise the sexual
energy.
This week, on Monday, I dreamt that I was working in the large garden in my
parent's home. In the middle of the garden, there is a very large lawn
bordered with stones. I was helping my father to raise the border, in fact
building a one meter high retaining wall all around the lawn. I remember the
thinking process, trying to figure out how to incorporate existing features
within the wall. The purpose was clear within the dream: water would be
contained within, so I made sure to make the wall water tight.
In the morning, I told my wife about this dream and without me telling her
anything else, she spontaneously exclaimed, reaching the same conclusion as
me: "But you are building a place where you can store your energy!".
| Q: Did these reflect the religion of your upbringing (or your pre K
| religion) or did they reflect other religions or philosophies?
I was raised as a catholic. My parents are practicing and my mother is
especially fond of the Virgin Mary. As I mentioned earlier, I even went to
see the Pope who was visiting, to cheer him up. But, as I said, I never had
any dream that can be qualified as religious. Can anyone tell me to which
religion an hydroelectric power station is a symbol of?
I scored 0% for Roman Catholic! and 100% for New Age. That didn't surprise
me as for a few years I have considered myself as part of the New Age
movement. When I clicked to see further information about New Age, I found
that one of the recommended web site was SpiritWeb, which for quite a while
in the past had been my sole source of New Age information on the web. There
was no surprise there.
As far as Roman Catholic is concerned, I recognized all the answers (the
first one for each question) I had to tick in order to score 100%. I ticked
none, hence my score. But, coming back to the water theme, I'd like to
comment on one of the question concerning baptism. Of course baptism is
important for all the Christians, especially the Catholics and the Baptists.
Myself, I still believe in such a thing as baptism and I also believe it is
important. I stress that it is a belief but not something based on
experience (though I have been baptized, that is sprinkled with "holy" water
by a priest, when I was a few months old - for that reason, my mother trusts
that I am saved :-) ). I didn't tick that answer as I knew it would give a
few points to Roman Catholic and Baptist with whose definition of baptism I
strongly disagree. For me, if there is such a thing as baptism, it would be
related to sexual energy (when I once told that to a Baptist friend, he
called me a heretic because the only picture that came to his mind was
someone being baptized in a pool of sperm! :-) ). According to teachings
that I received, baptism is a mystical experience that occurs when one's
Kundalini ascends for the first time the spine to the very top. Of course, I
have no such experience but some of you may be in a position to give more
details.
| Q: Did these experiences influence a change in your religion?
My change of religion definitely preceded whatever experience I have had of
energy going up my spine. Kundalini is certainly making sure to proceed one
small step at a time, waiting to see that I am ready before moving forward.
This is why I have so far avoided the most troublesome K symptoms. That is,
up to now. I don't know what will happen next. :-)
I have always somehow believed in God. Yet, when I was a teenager, I was
starting to seriously question the religion I inherited from my parents. I
was careful though not to throw away the baby with the bath water (He! Water
again!) like my older siblings did before me. At one stage, I was claiming:
"I don't believe in God" but at the same time, in my mind, I would think:
"God will forgive me: He/She/It knows what I mean".
I remained some years stuck between two modes of thinking, until I read a
book which has been a real eye opener for me: Ouspensky's "The Fourth Way".
Within months, I started to regularly attend the lecture of the Gnostic
Movement (International Christian Gnostic Movement, founded by Master Samael
and headed by his successor, Master Rabolu). They taught me all kinds of
concepts that were foreign to me: the Ray of Creation, the Chakras, Mantras,
Koans, Meditation techniques, the Seven Bodies, Astral Projection.... and
most importantly, they taught me the practice of Sexual Alchemy. What a
relief for me, who was masturbating daily, to find out that sex was not
necessarily a sin! :-) Yet, it didn't end my problems
That's during the practice of Sexual Alchemy with my partner (whom I
officially married last year) that I first experienced the strong heat
going up through my pine, around my head, to my third eye. The years that
followed were actually very difficult because I felt that I had to achieve
something, instead of being fully whatever I am within the moment. In
1999-2000, I went a long way towards healing this wrong attitude. Mystress
helped me a lot, when she gave me Shaktipat last spring, to go deeper in the
process. With her, I felt again this strong heat within me but then it died
down again.
Recently, not trying to achieve anything in particular, I started to
breathe much more deeply, passing from over 20 breathes a minute to around
6, whenever I remember myself. I was surprised to notice that all this
oxygen stirred the fire again and the heat washed all over my back all over
again. The difference is that now, I accept it whenever I feel the heat (can
that be taken as a proof that K is awakened?) but I don't care when I don't
feel anything. Goddess has it handled. :-)
***********
About the poll related to the religion test that I conducted, I would like
to thank the people who wrote to me off list to thank me for the results:
the encouragement was welcome :-) Thanks.
Yet, I am aware that the "jokes" may not have been to everyone's taste. I
preventively apologize to whomever felt bothered by them. May I reassure
everybody that I treated all the results from all the respondents with the
utmost respect and that the results I published are 100% genuine. Only the
email addresses are fake. :-)
Thanks to you all, who make this list interesting and a nice place to be in.
Augustin.
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