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Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Thanks Wim... and what about Shaktipat?
From: Wim Borsboom
On 2000/09/07 14:03, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Susan,
Just a quick reply,
Yes, yes and thank you!
My place once was a "shakti / kundalini" retreat at some point in the past,
called it "CentranCe...". (The word in the logo was written in a circle, the
beginning eating the end so to say. A play on the words: centre, entrance,
trance, transcend and maybe... my one "cent" worth :-). I shut it down just
a few weeks before the Jonestown massacre happened, (remember?). I had
received a vision from my 4.5 (?) year old son as well as a visionary visit
from, what we now may call, an ascended master, to shut it down. There had
also been attempts on my life by two of the retreatants.
What do I do now?
A very intensive one-on-one. Total peri-natal support and comprehensive life
restructuring. Real life, no schemes. One person at a time... And yes, still
attempts on my life... But now there is no fear... nor danger...
Neat how that goes...!
Sometimes I wonder if I am alive or after-life?
Did you know that there is no way to tell, really?
:-)
Ah concepts!!!!!!
Love, Wim
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Sent: September 7, 2000 12:42 PM
Subject: [K-list] Re: Thanks Wim... and what about Shaktipat?
>
> Hiya Wim,
>
> I am just jumping in again...
>
> I like what you have to say.
>
> > I have seen myself and others doling out Shaktipat as comparable to
> > providing sexual favours, worse even: quick stimulation, climax and
> > ejaculation without the appropriate amount of foreplay and
> afterplay.
>
> yes..that actually can be part of it... people having an orgasmic
> quickie during Shaktipat.(although i think you are referring to the
> process of Shaktipat as a quickie...although quickies can be fun
> too). I have male friends who says they have had erections that could
> cut glass during Shaktipat experiences and not just with me either
> but with other transmitters. And also women gushing amrita (female
> ejaculate) onto their chairs.
>
> I myself have felt it as days on end of arousal but no climax.
>
> That in itself can be addictive. Sometimes I wonder about the wisdom
> of the awakening which can be so strong sexually but then, in my
> experience, sexual awakenings by k often fly straight in the face of
> religious teachings of what is morally right or wrong about sex. If
> those fundamental beliefs can be shaken then beliefs about the nature
> of Divinity can also be questioned in a liberating process.
>
>
> > Compare it to the handing out of antidepressants without fore-care,
> > after-care and the proper range of supportive human accompaniment.
> Think of
> > peri-natal care. We have been learning and applying quite a bit on
> that
> > subject with great result.
>
> Wouldn't it be great if we had Shakti retreats in the West? There
> would be a week or so of preparation, then Shaktipat, then
> integration/teaching/reassesments/ interventions if necessary. Then
> there would be follow up care.
>
> But in my experience Shakti doesn't adhere much to schedules. But, I
> have also been privileged to seeing Kundalini rise in just two day
> seminars where there was there was a lot of education first.
>
> Guru Mayi often holds week long retreats where during Darshan
> Shaktipat is given. But from my experience of being in her NY ashram,
> the very ground is permeated with Shakti. The walls, air, the food,
> the gardens vibrates with Shakti. A receptive person could just get
> shaktipat from eating the food.
>
>
> > In the West, or with Western subjects, (I mean West and Western in
> the sense
> > of not Oriental) Shaktipat is not a very *response-able* way of
> dealing with
> > "shakti". The receptiveness and responsiveness by each individual
> is too
> > varied and complex.
>
> Yes... I can see this. Maybe this is why i see more 'gentler'
> awakenings rather than roaring up thru the spine like a freight train
> ripping the top of the head off stuff, hail Mary, mother of grace
> awakenings that people seem to have in India. But that is just me.
>
>
> snip good stuff...
>
> Alright we are getting there, slowly, but still.
> > I know I may be putting this rather strongly, but please, you
> people who> have had different and better experiences with Shaktipat,
> call yourself> lucky and thank your guru... but still... consider
> some of my deliberations.> True enough, Shakti can be trusted...
> should be trusted... must be trusted.> But are surrender and trust
> not our greatest difficulties? Many ppl. here> have hardly ever seen
> a model of trust in their lives, let alone surrender.
> > Shaktipat can only be given after the initial cornerstone of trust
> and> surrender is put in place. "Peri shaktal care" anyone?
> >
> > Love, Wim
> >
>
> I know, for myself, if I were to go into retreat somewhere, with a
> trusted stable support system...my body would go into a cocoon state
> and Shakti would finish having Her transformative way with me.
> Because I don't live anything close to a monastic life Shakti works
> with me in a cyclical matter, mostly on my days off and when I am
> sleeping.
>
> One of my most intense K periods was when i was without a job for a
> month. I spent most of that month living in the celestial universe
> while i felt Shakti transforming my cells.
>
> I don't think that Shaktipat can only be given after the cornerstone
> of trust and surrender is in place only because my experience speaks
> otherwise. Shaktipat came to me when I was unaware, didnt even know
> what she was. My transmitter told me what he did AFTER he did it. I
> didnt even know the transmitter or anything about him until after
> Shaktipat.Is that morally correct, I dunno. I don't think Shakti
> respects morals from my experiences.
>
> I don't know why She honors my 3d schedules. I am glad she does.
>
> I agree that trust and surrender are so important to the k awakening
> process. I am addicted to Shakti...I go where ever I find her.
> Fortunately, I seem to be immune to the Guru Virus so i dont get
> caught up in all that drama.
>
> Just some more 2 cents worth.
> Love,
> Susan
>
>
>
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>
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