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Recieved: 2000/09/07 06:03
Subject: [K-list] Kundalini Triggers
From: Harsha
On 2000/09/07 06:03, Harsha posted thus to the K-list:
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Hi Bob,
Passing your post along. Very interesting thoughts on Kundalini and Trauma.
Richness of your experience is appreciated. Yours too Wim! :-).
Love you all
Harsha
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Vincent [mailto:BobVincentATnospamaol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 7:35 AM
To: Kundalini-GatewayATnospamegroups.com
Subject: [K-list] Re: Triggers
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamegroups.com, druoutATnospama... wrote:
Hi Hillary,
Glad I could throw a few ideas into the pot. Of course, as Harsha
says, what I've listed is very "traditional" yoga stuff. I've spent
most of my adult life working on getting up close and personal with
the abstractions of both traditional and esoteric yoga, finding that
it isn't abstract at all once it becomes home. The part that never
ceases to amaze me is the automatic interconnections, revealing an
underlying intelligence inherent in the whole process, inherent in
us. Just another way of recognizing that we are God incarnate longing
to happen, as it were.
Btw, perhaps you have heard the phrase, "Humankind is God playing the
fool." He/She will figure it out eventually, I'm sure. :-)
Regarding your comment about "trauma" not being in the 8 limbs of
yoga, yes, that is interesting, isn't it? In fact you could say that
outside influences in general are not very evident in the 8 limbs.
Shakipat and other karma-related enlightenment events are not
directly evident either. A couple of the "observances" might be
construed to relate to or even directly cause outside
influences. "These are Intensity for enlightenment (Tapas)"
and "Surrender to ultimate truth (Ishvara Pranidhana)." But this is
stretching it.
There is the tendency that yogis develop to expose themselves to
tramautic situations, such as sitting meditating in funeral grounds
in the middle of the night (now there's a trigger for you!), taking
great physical risks, and so on. Extreme ascetic practices like that.
So, there is that connection between yoga and trauma, but is it
voluntary? Or is it yet another automatic yogic connection? I think
it gets back to your question about mudras being voluntary or
automatic. What must happen will happen.
Perhaps what this line of thinking suggests is that the 8 limbs, and
perhaps all of yoga are a "self help" program of spiritual practices,
and outside events related to leaps in spiritual progress are but
karmic consequences ("automatic connections") of such spiritual
practice, even if these events come in later lifetimes when the
original practices which caused them have been forgotten. This is the
typical explanation for spontaneous kundalini awakenings. "You earned
it in a past life by doing spiritual work then." Small consolation
for the person burning up and not knowing why, huh?
When I first came back into cyber satsang a few weeks ago, I
communicated with a lady at the Kundalini Resource Center who had
been dealing with a very unruly K for about 5 years. It started for
her with a near death experience. She had no experience (in this
life) with any sort of spiritual practice, nor did she have any
conscious inclination toward such things. But there she was, deep
into it. Her near death experience was a profound spiritual event
involving proddings from higher beings to come back to earth, etc. I
am sure there are similar stories around here. What earns people
such "blessings"? Many lifetimes of purification I suspect. But who
knows? It depends on what people choose to believe about such things,
since there is no objective explanation in many cases. Only logical
deduction, for those who think they have logic on their side. Ha!
So, given all that, how does one initiate the triggers which
seemingly come from outside? By doing the work, I think. By
saying, "yes" to the spiritual opportunities which confront us each
day. Perhaps you should consider dividing the triggers into two
groups: Those which we can choose (practices), and those which happen
to us seemingly from outside. I have a sneaking suspicion that if you
make that distinction, the ones which we choose will end up being the
8 limbs plus additional schools of yoga. The triggers we do not seem
to choose will come under the broad heading of "unpredictable karmic
consequences," or something like that.
One type of trigger we can choose, the other we must bear with a
smile. Such is the life of the aspirant. Who is the fool here
anyway? LOL
Blessings,
Bob
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