To: K-list
Recieved: 2000/08/28 07:05
Subject: [K-list] Re: K Energy and Meditation : Horia
From: Horia Cristescu
On 2000/08/28 07:05, Horia Cristescu posted thus to the K-list:
Hello Wim.
Here's the reply you asked for.
> Dear Horia,
>
> You wrote,
> > I do not know about this "Tony Syndrome" but I do not see myself as
> > what you described.
>
> The way you answer is a sign of the "Tony Syndrome".
> Horia, I know where you are coming from already, have at some point in my
> past followed that same path.
> I am (was) actually an acknowledged guru. Ratatata! Do I care? No.
I repeat : I don't know Tony. Can this expression "Tony Syndrome" be
translated into plain english ? Or you prefer to let me guess...
>
> Please, now, consider the following seriously...
> Kundalini is NOT yoga... This, by the way, is not debatable... so do not
> even try... if you do, you will not get the point. OK?
Kundalini is an energy that exists in all human beings, yogi, Christians,
bushists, adepts of zen, normal people, etc. That is obvious. Yoga is only a
path. So, OK.
> Kundalini, our innate self healing mechanism (autopathic and holopathic)
> became a ritualized and formalized yoga over time... with all the
drawbacks
> that come with formalization and ritualization. Kundalini is our inborn
self
> (SELF) regeneration process that happens to people who eventually found
out
> that they cannot afford and will not afford any more to beat around the
Or in other words, Kundalini in the original creation force that descended
into creation and hid itself at the deepest level. When awakened it slowly
'destroys' the universe of the person experiencing awakening and resorbs him
into the absolute from which all came to being. This process involves all
the seven chackras or force centers and the spine (Sususmna Nadi).
> bush... They have come to the end of their rope, path, if you will.
Please,
> do not poopoo that. It is very intense and serious. Kundalini over time
got
> cast into a formal package 'Kundalini Yoga' and lost its original
strength,
> etc.
Not to everybody Kundalini Yoga is meaningless. Why would it be meaningless.
Yoga is timeless. Worked 2000 years ago, still works now, and will work 2000
years from now. Kundalini Yoga is not a cheap western personal philosophy
and will remain unchanged and effective in time.
> I went at some point in my life through 7 weeks of this intense
regeneration
> process. Hardly any food, no (NO) sleep at all, yes very often no
breathing
> even, no heart beat even for hours, I could swim in very cold ocean water
> for hours without being afflicted by hypothermia etc.. A period of a very
> high energetic state through which I lived pretty well totally and
> exclusively on Ki energy. During that period my body at times took over
and
> led me into spontaneous, automatic and continuous yoga asana like
movements,
> also dance, song and other highly creative states. Nothing that I did came
> from books or was advised by tradition, I was not following any
admonitions
This is amazing. I am glad to read about your experiences.
I totally agree : the books came from direct experience with Kundalini and
not the other way around. You need no books if Kundalini takes the role of
teacher.
> methods etc. Everything came from within. In fact when I did try to follow
> other people's advise it felt extremely painful. The process which, if
> un-interrupted takes 960 days, requires only one thing, trust and
> surrender... love, light and truth will become self evident.
>
I am very happy for you. I hope with all my heart that I will get the same
and even more in time.
> If you are not willing to consider what I just wrote please do not bother
to
> answer me... If you cannot seriously and positively consider what I wrote
> above, you are just not at the end of your rope yet, you still live on
other
> people's energy and are manipulative as heck or manipulated with such
> vengeance that you are not even aware of.
Yes, yes, yes. I was out of line with Jerry. There are better ways to
express one's thoughts. What started me was not Jerry alone but the whole
gallery of "Kundalini Horror Stories" in this channel. I think that this
attitude towards Kundalini is one sided. Because of resonance phenomenons
there are many people that have similar experiences in this channel. This
lead to the amplification (by resonance) of this belief.
Personally I experience a worm, blissful Kundalini that irradiates light and
peace. In my heart I feel a interior space or void full of the beautiful
energy of my soul - a feeling beyond words. That's why I had to pull the
alarm signal : there are other ways to experience Kundalini, not all fall in
this "Horror" category and there is too much talk about the bad symptoms of
Kundalini in the detriment of the deep and spiritual effects.
To please me take this rule : for each "horror" Kundalini story post also
two spiritual kundalini stories. Is this a good idea ?
>
> I would appreciate it if you would reply publicly... That is also very
> important... there is no secluded and separate self.
I am sorry I didn't reply sooner but I was on a vacation and I couldn't
access my POP3 mail until today.
>
> Open up in honesty and love and do not keep biting on your doggy bone...
> nobody is out to get it off you.
>
I am open to critics. Let it come.
> Love,
> Wim
>
> I mean this very well Horia
>
I believe you.
Love
~~~
Horia
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