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Recieved: 2000/08/14 06:43
Subject: [K-list] K Energy and Meditation : LOL :-)) what a post !
From: Leteegee
On 2000/08/14 06:43, Leteegee posted thus to the K-list:
Horia writes:
>First of all : To Jerry. Sorry man, please accept my apologies for the harsh
>language, but I still believe what I said.
Of course you do... it is your belief! Did it ever occur to you to
open your mind?
>Meditation can cause problems ONLY if it is done the wrong way. What Jerry
>should have said
Let me take a moment and tell you what you shoulda said. :-)
>is that for him it was better to stop his meditation
>because he was doing it all wrong and it caused him problems.
If one is meditating, there is no right or wrong way. What is
meditation? Quieting your mind, finding Self, and all that good stuff. Many
choose to quiet their mind differently when one form of meditation is not
working.... mowing the lawn, sitting on the beach watching the waves or a
sunrise, creating a zen garden, co-creating (anything), living life as a form
of meditation. Your guru knows of only one way. (duh-guru) Allow this
list to teach you other ways so that you can use your realizations and
illuminations to live in the One Mind.
>He should not have produced the idea that meditation was wrong but the way
he >was doing it was not the best.
Actually, YOU should not have produced the idea that his meditation
was wrong.... and... you are beginning to get it that he understood the way
he was doing it was not the best. He created a zen garden instead, that
took years to create. He created inspiring people through various ways
instead. He decided to live in the One Mind, instead of the one mind. He
decided to live in the moment, instead of the shoulda-woulda-coulda's.
>To "J F" who kindly suggests me to "stick my head up my own ass" I must say
>that if he was Great Shiva that appeard in a human form and said to me
>"Horia, if you would stick your head up your ass you would obtain instant
>spiritual liberation, you have my word!" then I would have done it.
No you wouldn't. Why? Because you already have your head up your
ass -- if you didn't, you would see that JF is the Great Shiva in the One
Mind, as well as you are. (Bow)
>But since he is not Shiva then I must respectfully decline his suggestion and
>ask him where do they teach him those techniques ?
It is the latest technique of going within. Brings up a lot of shit
you can see clearly.
>And finally, to the rest of us, I want to say that Kudalini activity is NOT
>the stop sign for meditation.
You got that right.
>Yes, it may be rough some times but we must study ancient writings about
>Kundalini and practice meditation to keep it under control.
Studying ancient writings and meditating (old style way) is (one of
the ways to) activate the kundalini and find Self and liberation. For many,
it gives the kundalini full control to do with you what it wants, regardless
of the problems it causes. To take control of kundalini, instead of giving
that to the external guru to do for you, is to take full responsibility for
Self, and finally (finally!) accept yourSelf as your own Guru.
>Why do you want to scare the beginners ? Let them meditate and don't
>insinuate fear into their minds at a moment when they are susceptible to
>believe anything that is said in a chat board because of a lack of
experience.
Who is the beginner?
>I wander if now I will be kicked out of this channel.
No one needed to kick you off this channel. You retreated to your
meditation/yoga retreat instead and kicked yourself off. You are right --
you wandered, instead of wondered.
xxxtg
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