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Recieved: 2000/08/13 13:59
Subject: Re: [K-list] K Energy and Meditation : LOL :-)) what a post !
From: J F
On 2000/08/13 13:59, J F posted thus to the K-list:
>From: "Horia Cristescu" <horiaATnospamcyclop.net>
>To: <GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com>, "Kundalini-GatewayATnospamegroups"
><Kundalini-GatewayATnospamegroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [K-list] K Energy and Meditation : LOL :-)) what a post !
>Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:26:04 +0300
>
> >" I've learned about k as a result of my experience (and others' ) is
>that
>it follows a unique
> > course in each individual. lt may respond positively to meditation in
>one
> > person and not in another. Trying to direct k is not always wise. "
>
>That is pathetic! How could you start from one thing - borrowing the notion
>of Kundalini from a long spiritual tradition of India and Yoga - and come
>up
>with a completely reversed thing like "meditation is not always good for
>people with Kundalini awakening ..." ?
>
>This is something that would induce many people in error.
No, you are wrong in your generalisations - I totally relate to what Jerry
is saying and I've heard many others say that they have had to reduce
meditative practice as it apparently has created adverse affects.
>You see, Kundalini is the sum of all forces in the human being. It is the
>sum of all experiences and the totality of all states of consciousness. It
>is the fundamental Shakti of any being.
And how do *you* know all this?
>Don't try to reinvent Kundalini. It has been discovered, studied and
>described better than you can describe it by liberated yogini and gurus of
>many spiritual traditions in India. They all say exactly the opposite of
>what you're saying.
I don't think Jerry was trying to reinvent Kundalini here.
>"We must ALWAYS practice meditation" ... quoted from Sri Ramakrisna
>
>"Concentration and meditation truly are the ones that, in the end, lead you
>to the realization of your self (that is to reach spiritual liberation)."
>quoted from Swami Shivananda
>
>"The secret is that the union with God ('yoga' literally means 'union')
>cannot be accomplished without the help of a perfectly calm mind. Whatever
>is the path that you choose to reach God, the mind must permanently be
>under the control of the yogi
>and not the yogi under the control of the mind." ... quoted from Sri
>Ramakrisna
>
>"Yoga is the stopping of the modifications of the mind" - The first sutra
>of
>Yoga Sutra, Patanjali.
>"The modifications must be removed by meditation". - The first sutra of
>Yoga
>Sutra, Patanjali.
Yes It is good that you use quotes like these as your own words are not very
impressive at all.
>Check the manual. Meditation is the way!
For you, maybe.
>Practically what are you suggesting ? That we should just let us be
>"controlled" by Kundalini and let it do it's way with us, and we should
>just
>endure it like some stupid and weak people that have no interest in taking
>controll of their energies ?
Just wondered, do you feel the need to 'control' most things in your life?
>EVEN Kundalini must be under our STRICT control !
Yes Sir!!
>There is no exception to
>this rule, every energy must be controlled and used in a divine and
>inspirate manner.
>
>It is good to meditate, especially when you have Kundlaini active. You
>should focus your energy to make your seven chackras pure of any blocks and
>to make your mind stable in meditation. You should know that once you have
>an active Kundalini you can't easily stop it. Don't ignore it, just let it
>pass through your every situation of life and elevate you to a divine state
>of consciousness that in time becomes permanent.
>
>Meditate at least one or two hours a day with Kundalini, laya and mantra
>yoga, practice asanas and most important : yama and niyama. Search for
>books
>and for proper guidance from a guru. Yes, you need a guru,
And Who are you to decide what other people *need*?
>don't do it on
>your own because you don't know what you're getting into and what you're
>missing.
Thank heavens we have you around then!
>Use Kundalini to achieve Samadhi and to reach the spiritual Illumination.
>Don't complain about it because it is a gift. If you feel you are not
>prepared for it then pray to God to stop it and start some basic yoga work
>to prepare better for next time.
>
>Meditate, meditate a lot.
By the way what meditation brings you to this state of 'inner-knowledge'
that you have - does it inolve sticking your head up your own ass?
>~~~
>Horia
Jay
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