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Recieved: 2000/08/08 01:05
Subject: Re: [K-list] Gabriel, Raphael, Michael.
From: Cherian
On 2000/08/08 01:05, Cherian posted thus to the K-list:
Thank you Wim, for this truly powerful post.Your clarity is amazing, it
shines with a light of its own.
~ cherian
----- Original Message -----
From: Wim Borsboom <aurasphereATnospamhome.com>
To: <Kundalini-GatewayATnospamegroups.com>; <UnderwrldAngelATnospamaol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [K-list] Gabriel, Raphael, Michael.
> Dear UnderwrldAngelATnospamaol.com
>
> You wrote:
> > My opinion is that if you believe in God or a Higher Power, than ALL
> THINGS
> > ARE POSSIBLE.....ALL....and you just can't explain some things, they
just
> > are....
>
> That statement: "IF xxxxx, THEN xxxxxx" is very conditional. You may not
> have noticed that yet, but such a statement is as much a sign of having
> difficulty believing in God as it is a sign of a belief in God that is
based
> on logical argument, the conviction of someone else, the fear that, if you
> do not believe than somehow you will be judged to be inadequate or that
you
> will be missing out, missing the boat. The psychological state of "belief"
> is too often just based on some external supportive argument, logic or an
> application of the negative power of fear.
> Check this out carefully... a person who "believes" has not recovered the
> surety of unshakable divine reality. Absolute conviction confesses and
> professes with a different choice of words. This is not semantics, the
power
> of the WORD is enormous, as the powerful use of a typical mantra
> illustrates. If mantras were expressions of "belief" they would not work.
> When your "mantra" states something like "I believe in God" then your
mantra
> is a weak one. When Jesus states "I AM" he uses words in a sentence
> structure that does not allow for even the slightest doubt.
> GOD IS, ALL THIS IS GOD, I AM, I AM THAT, THIS IS IT are not expressions
of
> belief they are statements of absolute REALITY.
> When a person says that he/she believes (in) something there is always a
> faint or vague possibility of disbelief. This is not good enough when one
> witnesses of divine reality
> This may be hard for you to see, and please do not take this post as
> criticism, instead consider this: When (not "if") a person recovers the
> reality of God as the only reality then "belief" transforms into absolute
> knowledge. Words like belief and faith disappear instantaneously in a
flash
> of re-cognition and realization.
> There is an extreme power in words, so use them in such a way that they
> express your knowledge to the fullest. Again, is this semantics? What's in
a
> word? Ask the evangelist John when he speaks of the "LOGOS"
>
> You also wrote:
> > *For me*, only the Lord has the answers.
>
> Please consider those words carefully, look at them closely. I am sure
that
> you can be more daring and absolute in your statement. Allow yourself to
do
> that... be more upfront and forthright. We won't argue with you about the
> existence of "all that is, is in, and is the Divine" and the "Divine
reality
> is in and is everything" On this list you are not talking to a group of
> unbelievers, pretty well everyone on this list is in that transformative
> stage of not beating around the bush, calling a spade a spade. You do not
> really have to say: "*for me*, the Lord has the answers."
>
> You also wrote:
> > For me, only *the Lord has the answers.*
>
> When a person states that "only the Lord has the answers", it really means
> that such person still has questions or still queries, still does not
know,
> still has not re-cognized, is not fully convinced of the reality of GOD.
On
> this list you may know that you can suspend your beliefs, disbeliefs,
doubts
> and questions. On this list one becomes aware that one may stop
questioning,
> one may actually start knowing and become absolutely convinced, recovering
> Truth, Love and Light unconditionally. Such is the power of Kundalini when
> one surrenders to its reintegrative and healing energies.
> So no doubt no more, live from and in divine reality- in love, truth and
> light- without bounds.
> You may say: "That is a process, it does not happen overnight !" Well it
> may seem like process that involves time, but surrender is either
surrender
> or it is not, conditional belief is not knowledge. Liberty is not
> conditional either or it is not liberty. *Conditional* freedom is what
> humans allow each other but such is not the business of the divine. The
> human / divine is unconditionally free, no holds barred. Conditional
freedom
> is what humans do to each, but that is not what the divine does in you and
> what you do in the divine.
> Let us allow ourselves to be more forthright, forthwith. Do not hold
> yourself in, *for me* this and I *believe* that... Witness of your love,
> light and truth... unconditionally... we will recognize... do not worry...
>
> Surprise,: "The Lord does actually not have any answers." You will notice
> that as soon as the question "Who am I?" stops having the usual
"relevance"
> in one's final realization. Of course initially it is important to ask the
> question: " Who am I?" That is often how we start on the way to DIVINE
SELF
> RECOVERY, but we all too often make it a habit to keep asking, -
compulsive
> questioners that we are - addicted to the never-ending quest.
> When will we finally stand still to look for the evidence of the answer: "
> THAT WE ARE?"
> When will we finally recognize that we have already arrived. We are so
> compulsive in our quest, that we keep going. We are so addicted to our
> questioning that we keep looking out for the truth.... as though we are in
a
> treadmill...
> At some point the quest has to stop... inevitably.
> Step out from the treadmill of that eternal quest and that eternal
> question...
> The moment a person does that, is when he or she discovers and recovers
that
> it is all here and now already, that the wait is the compulsion...
> Why holding yourself in when you know the reality of God. The realized
> person will not use words like: "For me......" Realization is so immensely
> powerful as to encompass all of humanity... all of reality... One does not
> have to diminish absolute truth as though "for me..." just for me.
> That does not mean that one does not compassionately understand the other
> person's difficulty to realize. And it does not mean that one is impatient
> with the people who do not get it, or do not realize yet... This list and
> members of this list though, should be ready to stop at any moment ... you
> should not have any excuses... otherwise you would not have subscribed to
> this list.
>
> Love,
> Wim
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