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Recieved: 2000/08/05 11:17
Subject: Re: [K-list] Nature of psychic phenomena- My Experiences
From: Druout

In a message dated 8/5/00 12:50:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
aurasphereATnospamhome.com writes:

<< ... Something like the iris
 shutter on a camera, but instead of a shutter let us call it the "eye
 opener". It has to do with "third eye" functionality.
 Keep playing, I did this for years until I drowsily, like in a swoon, fell
 into that certain state where the visions manifested and realized
 themselves.<<

Dear Wild Wonderful Wim!

Well, you know, I am not searching for new experiences! And have been quite
wary of mystical powers or Siddhis, since reading Sri Ramana Maharshi's
*Talks.* Perhaps it's simply a prejudice, I don't know, but I think when
Geoff quotes:

"When Ch'an students experienced purity or
bliss, or perceived Buddhas or bodhisattvas in their meditations, they were
told that these were merely ching, mental objects or 'states' which should
not be acknowledged as desireable or approved as real attainments,"

he has a good point, although, perhaps, this attitude, too, is a bit extreme.

<< Because it is so absolutely wonderful to be visionary, a mystic, I wish it
 on everybody. The sweetness and gloryful bliss that comes with it is... well
 " so sweet". The nectar tap just opens up more.
 Oh I wish I could share this...>>

Well, It does seem wonderful for you, Wim :)). but to presume we all need to
get where you are, seems to me to be a bit, well, elitist. I have seen so
many *different* types of experiences described here. All wonderful. I think
we are all where we are supposed to be. I'm not sure that a heirarchy of
experiences is useful.

<<there is a possibility for you though as you
 are saying: the energy continues to course through me with
> blissful brain/body orgasms.<<

Sorry! No Wim, I'm a lost cause! :))

>See if you cannot maintain or retain that body/brain bliss throughout the
 day, throughout the week, throughout your life.<<

Well, it is with me constantly. At night it is something else again.

<<one normally thinks that one goes absolutely nuts or
bananas from it, but if you have a swimming pool, lawn sprinkler and wet
grass, a Jacuzzi, hot tub, river, lake or ocean nearby to dive into, then,
when it is almost unbearable, one can drain away the excess energy. One has
to literally ground oneself.<<

Yeah, hard to take. That's why I'm compelled to do Hatha yoga exercises 3x a
day to calm the energy down. But as grateful as I am for it, I see it simply
as the way the energy has chosen to manifest itself through me. I'm just a
conduit.

<<Yep, it takes that kind of continuous training
to return to one's original innate state of bliss, just as it took long
years of continuous frustration and trauma to make us lose it.<<

Well, here we differ. It took no training for me. It just happened one day.
Nor do I feel that K necessarily results from trauma, although that certainly
is very common.
Inquiry, falling in love, breathing exercises, Hatha yoga, Meditation also
can be triggers.

<<Consider that
what we have learned to accept as our normal state, that that state is
really a forced and abnormal condition of low energy. It is not really our
intended state, our state at conception is human/divine. We can regain that
state of human/divine bliss.<<

Well, it is natural at the beginning of life, and I believe at the end. It
can be downright distracting at the middle! LOL
 
 > While I consciously surrender to "what will be,"
 > I also want to learn everything I
 > can about this experience.
 >>What a fantastic aspiration, you will recover it, Hillary... have no
 doubt... or as Jesus said, have faith in me, know that I AM, Immanuel, God
 with us, immanently, permanently... IT IS SO.
  >>

Well, I realize you love the role of teacher, but, you know, you take power
from people when you presume people should be where you are. I think I
understand a little of what happened with El. It comes a bit under the
heading of "Have you stopped beating your wife?" There is no way of
protesting that perhaps it is enough simply TO BE where I am without feeling
a bit of a fool! :))

On the other hand, if you want me to play straightwoman, I'd be delighted! I
love to hear your joy.

Love, Hillary

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