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Recieved: 2000/07/06 13:11
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Love the Enemy
From: Gcwein1111
On 2000/07/06 13:11, Gcwein1111 posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 7/5/00 12:44:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, druoutATnospamaol.com
writes:
<<
Sorry for not being clear. Makes no difference to me whether the executed
person is guilty or not. I'll simply say that IMO the state as executioner
of
a person found guilty of murder is far more reprehensible than a murderer,
and is IMO guilty of the worst kind of clinical cold blooded killing.
>>
Hillary, you're hopeless --- l give up on you. :) ln a way l can see
where your statement is coming from. lf we begin with the view that any form
of killing is utterly detestable and unthinkable under any and all
circumstances, then a clinical killing by the state can infuriate more than
any other. To one with such views the clinical aspect seems repugnant and
more importantly, it's so much easier for us to become angry with the state
-- with any government -- than it is than to feel anger toward an individual
killing someone we don't even know, where we figure there was probably some
extenuating circumstance anyway.
Well, a view of killing that ignores all of the reasons and circumstances
behind it, that doesn't distinguish between the innocent and guilty or
between psychopaths/sociopaths and the judges and jurors who sentence them is
an extreme view -- one not shared by many -- but you're entitled to it.
You're a defense counsel's dream -- l could have used you as a juror on some
criminal cases way back when. :)
You detest killing so much that you don't distinguish
convicted murderer from judge and jury who punish. They (and 70% of the
American people) detest killing so much that they want the worst killers to
pay the ultimate price for it. l know you don't see it this way, but l don't
see all that much difference between their hatred of killing and yours. A
different way of dealing with it, for sure, but the hatred is the same.
My own view has always been that l don't favor capital punishment, but that
there are certain instances when it wouldn't bother me. Ted Bundy, a serial
killer who preyed on countless young girls in his cross country rampage, was
a good candidate. Here was a psychopath who was charming and highly educated
-- who fired his lawyers at his trial, preferring to conduct his own
defense, which he did in expert fashion (having studied law), with relish and
no trace of remorse. l could go on, because history has known alot of Ted
Bundys, and l confess that l wouldn't find their deaths -- the deaths of evil
psychopathic/sociopathic monsters -- as regrettable as those of their
victims.
l
feel it too every time Sirhan Sirhan comes up for parole and insists that
he's entitled to release from prison. l always go back to the day in June,
1968 when he killed RFK -- a crime against humanity that in my opinion was of
such magnitude as to signigicantly harm the course of world history. l was
with a group of guys when we heard the tragic news, and one said with tears
in his eyes (we all had tears in our eyes) ,"They ought to hang him by the
balls." Thirty two yrs later, l still sorta wish they had.
You say you have a "60's
leftist position". Well, l'm a liberal everyplace else but on spiritual
lists like this, where l keep hearing outrageous statements that cause me to
react and take positions that seem eerily conservative. l'm forced to sing
the praises of America, ha ha, which l assure you l'm not noted for. lt's
getting old -- for me as well as, l'm sure, others. l've got to stop rising
to the bait and learn to leave it be -- or just leave the list. lt always
happens with off topic issues, which l'm going to try harder to avoid if l do
remain. Trouble is, nearly all conversation is off topic. We'll see.
love,
jerry
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