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Recieved: 2000/06/30 08:54
Subject: [K-list] Re:Ki
From: lobster

> Be Careful El; lobster is not a beginner..he was on the list 4 or so
> years ago and has major profound thinking processes..

Hi Carolyn, Dear Friends,
Mmm . . .
I am very much a beginner. Everytime I feel progress is being made
it reminds me
profound thinking is an indication of a process
- 'no processing' is far more advanced.
Sometimes treating ourselves and others with the gentleness that beginners
require means we have no need to be careful :-)
However using or meeting or indulging in conflict . . .
well then sooner or later the challange will meet us . . .

> Has anyone noticed that when you first get into spirituality, that you
> are amazed that you didn't figure it out before.. Then as you progress
> along the lines, you look back and are amazed that everyone else didn't
> get it too.. SO THEN you decide that you must have known it all and you
> start trying to make everyone believe what you do and putting down all
> the others that don't believe your way...Then you get to another place
> where none of it makes sense until you just let it go and let it be
> unexplainable and not put any limits on the thought.. Unconditional
> Acceptance..Is that Agrippa?

Mmm . . .
the process you describe is a familiar pattern.
Whenever people are unsure of what they have (progressed to) they behave in
this way.
Residing in a state of Grace (to use one means of expression) means
confidence in ones understanding.
Spiritual maturity resides in realising its transitory nature AND possible
value to others (but not neccessarily).
This is why it MAY be permissable to throw (rather than invite) someone in
the water. If they start drowning you have to be a strong enough swimmer for
the both of you.
If anyone throws you in at the deep end - drown . . .

Be Well
Lobster backstroke

I am now off to become a Tantrika at a Buddhist
Monastery for at least a month.
Pray for me - you know it makes sense . . .

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