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Subject: Digest 205, Monday, June 26, 2000 6:43 AM
From: percyval
On 2000/06/27 15:24, percyval posted thus to the K-list:
Digest 205, Monday, June 26, 2000 6:43 AM
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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Beyond Abuse *long*
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
2. Re: [Fwd: My Kundalini Rei Ki Experience]
From: "percyval" <percyvalATnospamrcn.com>
3. Re: Beyond Abuse *long*
From: "Lynda" <pythonissaATnospammadasafish.com>
4. Re: Abuse Poll
From: "J Markel" <moshiachATnospamnauticom.net>
5. Re: Re: critters, hounds, pigs, asses.
From: ckressATnospamaol.com
6. Hearts & Minds
From: ckressATnospamaol.com
7. Re: Abuse Poll
From: ckressATnospamaol.com
8. Re: Hearts & Minds
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
9. Forgiveness
From: ckressATnospamaol.com
10. Re: Abuse Poll
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
11. Re: Beyond Abuse *long*
From: v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:53:14 -0400
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
Subject: Re: Beyond Abuse *long*
v wrote:
> I've had a lot of therapy, but it seems impossible to find someone to
> talk to who has had as much experience as myself, & seem just "book
> larned".
~~*+M~*
Write me (off list) any time you choose. Have Lots of experience.
A *Good Catholic gal*, hee hee
+ Maureen
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:35:12 -0400
From: "percyval" <percyvalATnospamrcn.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: My Kundalini Rei Ki Experience]
[ this post is forwarded from the edited version of the K-List...
please respond to the original poster and not to me... thanks...
- percyval ]
From: Robert Dorman <redormanATnospamtheofficenet.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:55:44 -0700
To: "kundalini-l-eATnospamegroups.com" <kundalini-l-eATnospamegroups.com>
Subject: [Fwd: [chi-talk] My Kundalini Rei Ki Experience]
I received this message as a post to another list related to chi, in
general, and wanted to know what you kundalini folks thought about it.
I do not have any K awakening (yet) but will be doing some things that
might produce this, so I want to find out as much as I can, in advance,
in case I do get a K awakening.
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: IGPB Paramajaya paramaATnospamt...
> Subject: [chi-talk] My Kundalini Rei Ki Experience
> To: chi-talkATnospamegroups.com
>
> Dear Everyone,
>
> I am new to the list and would like to share my experience in
> practicingKundalini and Rei Ki. My Kundalini was awakened instantly and
> safely viaTummo Rei Ki attunement in September 1998, where my Sushumna is
> fullyopened from the Perineum to the Crown Chakra (just in less then
> 30minutes!!!). Later the progress of my Kundalini and Rei Ki chanelling is
> veryamazing (to my understanding). Perhaps it is sound impossible to you
> buthonestly I am telling the truth and the fact. Yes, Rei Ki and
> Kundalinienergy actualy like two best friends that can work in synergy and
> inharmony to promote your healing capability as well as yourspirituality.
>
> The technique I am learning is very simple, mostly using
meditation,without
> any breath control or any other special body posture. Yes, Thehigher the
> technique, the simpler it may become. The technique combines Rei Ki and
> Kundalini energy in synergy to promoteour Kundalini process safely and
> efficiently. Most of my friends whojoinTummo Rei Ki attunement has their
> Kundalini Fire reach their CrownChakrain less then 6 months. Once again,
It
> may sound impossible but this isthefact.
>
> How do I know that my Kundlini has reach my Crown Chakra? Very
simple.There
> is no need to have a clairvoyant capability. All we need issensitiveenough
> hand palm to do scanning. Just set up an intent to do scanningforKundalini
> energy that bursting from our Crown Chakra continuosly.FollowingKundalini
> awakening and fully sushumna opening, we can scan thisKundalinienergy
easily
> since there is only one kind of energy that is burstingfromour crown
chakra
> all the time, 24 hours a day without causing any harmtoour body, that is
> Kundalini energy. The scanning sensation will be varydepend on our
> sensitivity but mostly we can notice continuous energyflow. I can also
feel
> very strong sensation, like mild warm along my sushumnaandmy crown chakra
is
> very active, every time I do my practice.
>
> However, actually sensation in Kundalini awakening is not so
> important.Themain thing one should notice in Kundalini awakening is the
> bliss, theblissof innerfire that has been awakened for our, humankind,
> spiritualprogress.
>
> Yes, to have our Kundalini awakened is really a very rare oppertunity
inour
> life time. Should we know, Most Yogi in India were sacrificing theirwordly
> life and willing to do very hard training just to have theirKundalini
> awakened. So, blessing to you all who have your Kundaliniawakened already.
> Do not waste your very limited time in this life time.
>
> As additional information, to my understanding, Tummo Rei Ki is the
onlyRei
> Ki tradition in the world that directly awaken someone's Kundalinisafely
and
> instantly (with guarantee). This technique is also very goodtohelp those
> free from experiencing Kundalini syndrome safely andinstantly.
>
> It is very nice, since while channeling Rei Ki for healing purposes,
> wearepracticing our Kundalini automatically at the same time. It is realy
> arevolutionary technique as far as I know. Once again, it may
> soundimpossible but this is the fact and I am not telling you a nonsense
or
> aclaptrap.
>
> Well, I'd like to hear other member experience and would be
> sittingnicelynow.
>
> L&L,
> Rama
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:33:55 +0100
From: "Lynda" <pythonissaATnospammadasafish.com>
Subject: Re: Beyond Abuse *long*
Oh what a strange world we live in. I admire people who can cry, I find it
so hard. I wimped out of publicly sharing the reply to the poll, just not
ready and certainly not that courageous - yet. I know why I find it hard to
cry, conditioned respose. The adults around me as I was growing found the
appearance of tears an affront to the British 'stiff uper lip', to show any
feelings was seen as some sort of failure of moral fiber. To let a tear fall
was the occaision of being given something to cry for, a beating. And the
strikes would continue until the tears stopped. But knowing why it's hard to
cry dosen't make it any easier. Now when a memory surfaces I try hard to
hold and comfort my younger self and cry the tears that belong to a previous
time, sort of like catching up. So I wrap my arms around myself, and rock
myself gently and weep what feels like an unshed ocean and pray for healing.
And I salute all who ever and where ever and when ever find themselves doing
the same.
With love
Lynda
A circle is the longest distance to the same point. - Tom Stoppard.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:32:22 -0400
From: "J Markel" <moshiachATnospamnauticom.net>
Subject: Re: Abuse Poll
One of the things that many have a hard
time understanding was why I say that there is a place for hatred and that
neither G-d nor I will just accept everyone unconditionally. In order to
explain that let's discuss one of the Noahide commandments, which all people
must follow - The Prohibition against illicit Sex. This is the CENTER
of EVIL. In its worse form it manifests itself in the form of incestual
molestation of poor unfortunate little children and in rape and torture of
helpless women (and sometimes men) often by those who should have been their
protectors. This problem is much more widespread than most realize or will
admit. Often others who know about it will not put a stop to it because they
don't want to expose a family member. What is most unfortunate is that often
yesterday's victims become tomorrow's perpetrators.
THIS IS HATEFUL TO G-D. IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. IF ANY OF YOU ARE
INVOLVED WITH IT, KNOW THAT RETRIBUTION IS COMING. IF YOU KNOW OF SUCH
THINGS HAPPENING AND TURN A BLIND EYE, YOU ARE AS BAD AS THOSE WHO DO IT.
THE UPPER WATCHDOG SMELLS YOU AND WILL GET YOU
YM
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:43:12 EDT
From: ckressATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Re: critters, hounds, pigs, asses.
In a message dated 06/24/2000 8:22:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< Honestly, I love you both, but I am getting a headache keeping up
with you two. It feels like both of you are hiding behind your flair
for language rather than the speaking from your hearts anymore.>>
Yes, this is what I was saying about none of us being saints here. Much of
the time, we're refugees from the holy land of the heart. Judgments that
focus on "what's wrong with this picture?" come from the mind, not the
heart, which includes what I'm saying here and what Susan has said. The
heart isn't oblivious to "negative" energies, but it doesn't push them into
exile. The heart welcomes everything home.
<<Why do i feel that? well, first of all the headache, second of all
the words have lost their juiciness. I can't see the words any more
and what I feel is the stale mate of old family arguments.>>
Being in touch with sensory and emotional responses shows that we're not
stuck in our intellects, but doesn't mean we're in our hearts. I don't think
we can command or shame ourselves or each other into opening the heart. When
the heart speaks through any of us, there is an unexpectedly beautiful
lifting of the veil and the shared experience of being touched by grace. We
ache for that so much, it's hard to be patient with ourselves and each other
in its absence. But perhaps that's why we're here, on this plane where
heartlessness seems so rampant. Receiving from those who radiate love is
easy. Receiving from -- and forgiving -- the love-impaired (and that's
ourselves and the rest of humanity) is an immense spiritual challenge.
El
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:42:51 EDT
From: ckressATnospamaol.com
Subject: Hearts & Minds
A bit more on the vantage points of the heart and mind. Semantics get sticky
here because in some traditions, the word "mind" is used to signify
consciousness. I'm using it to refer to the rational, intellectual,
reasoning faculty. To me, spirituality isn't a triumph of heart over mind,
but rather a love affair between the two. I regard it as a sort of lower
level marriage of Shakti and Shiva, where the mind reveres and defers to the
wisdom of the heart, and the heart delights in the antics of the mind. This
to me is a state of wholeness, where the heart and mind complete each other
rather than eclipsing each another.
El
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:29:54 EDT
From: ckressATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Abuse Poll
In a message dated 06/24/2000 10:55:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
huka9802ATnospamearthlink.net writes:
<< To actually answer the question, it seems to me like when no one is there
for you, you learn to find the resources within and/or develop more of a
connection to the spiritual world, because the physical world isn't meeting
your needs. >>
This has definitely been true for me as well! I'm on another list (a women's
support group) where the discussions all center on the most mundane topics.
They are a very loving group and there is rarely any conflict between the
members, but they have no interest in the kind of soul-searching, cosmic
exploration material that is daily fare here. And nearly all of them have
mentioned how close they are to their parents. They consider their mothers
and/or fathers their best friends and depend on them for advice and
companionship (until their parents' deaths). Radically different from my
case, where my parents and I regarded each other as aliens for most of our
lives, LOL.
This pattern isn't there in all cases, tho. My husband was very close to his
parents, who were extraordinary people (they both died last year). His
parents were very open minded, spiritually aware people and were interested
in the kinds of topics we discuss here. Not only that, his father (who was
one of the kindest, most generous people I've ever known) experienced K
awakening when he was 16 and continued to have mild K experiences for the
rest of his life.
El
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:06:54 -0400
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
Subject: Re: Hearts & Minds
The Ray of Love/Wisdom.
+ M
ckressATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
I regard it as a sort of lower
> level marriage of Shakti and Shiva, where the mind reveres and defers to
the
> wisdom of the heart, and the heart delights in the antics of the mind.
This
> to me is a state of wholeness, where the heart and mind complete each
other
> rather than eclipsing each another.
>
> El
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:33:08 EDT
From: ckressATnospamaol.com
Subject: Forgiveness
Hope I'm not becoming a list hog (and I extend blanket apologies to the
animal activists out there for my past, present and future un-PC
animal-bashing language). The discussions of abuse, forgiveness and love
seem relevant to an experience I had when K blasted my heart wide open.
For a while, I was in such a deep state I could feel into people's souls.
During this time, my mother called me and we were discussing religion. She
has a naive faith in a paternal God (not far removed from an old guy with a
long white beard sitting on a cloud in heaven), and I try to be respectful
of
that. As we talked, I felt an enormous weight of guilt and shame coming from
her. I couldn't immediately trace it to its source, so I asked her if she
had feelings of unworthiness in her relationship to God. She replied, "No"
and it rang true.
Then I got it: I was feeling her soul's shame for the way she had treated me
during my childhood. I gently asked her, "Do you regret any mistakes you may
have made as a mother?"
This time, her reply was sharp and defensive. "No!" Simultaneously, from
her soul I heard, "Yes, yes..."
Although she wasn't consciously aware of that pain, I could feel so much
torment there and I knew it would be there to greet her full force when she
leaves this life. My heart was so open I felt an overwhelming sadness for
her, and without thinking, I blurted out, "You've been a wonderful mother."
I knew it was untrue the instant I said it, but I felt an impelling need to
give her that, to pour my forgiveness out to her right then, so that when
she
finally encounters the terrible remorse in her soul, she'll carry a little
cushion of my love to help her through it.
As soon as I'd said it, she lit up and exclaimed, "Really? Was I?"
"Yes, you were wonderful. Thank you for all you've done for me."
About 2 weeks later, I got a call from my sister. She was furious with me.
"What the hell have you been telling Mom? She keeps saying you told her she
was a wonderful mother, and I know she wants me to say it too, but I just
can't. It makes me gag. Why did you say that to her?"
After I explained to her what I'd experienced, she calmed down and became
pensive. Then she said, "Well, I can't tell her she was wonderful, but maybe
I'll tell her that I love her."
Since then, even though I haven't re-experienced that degree of pure
open-heartedness, I stopped regarding my mother as a horrible person and
instead saw her as a human being who had done some very hurtful things. A
later K experience (which I described here previously) took me to a
different
level, where I was able to understand why she had treated me so badly. (She
was scapegoating me for her anger at the social expectations of her day
which
had trapped her into motherhood).
A couple years ago I discovered how much my resentment toward her has melted
away. She had called me and mentioned she was suffering a lot from her
arthritis. Soon after we got off the phone, I wept for her because she was
in such pain, and prayed that she would experience relief. Then I realized
that earlier in my life, I would have had little compassion for her and may
have even felt she deserved the pain. Now, I don't want any harm to come to
her. I only wish her well-being and peace.
El
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:54:30 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: Re: Abuse Poll
At 01:32 PM 6/25/00 -0400, J Markel wrote:
>One of the things that many have a hard
> time understanding was why I say that there is a place for hatred and that
>neither G-d nor I will just accept everyone unconditionally.
You don't. God Does.
Blessings..
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than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:11:55 -0800
From: v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
Subject: Re: Beyond Abuse *long*
Anymore the British "stiff upper lip" is being adapted by people
everywhere, because of the media. Everyone wants to be Rambo, to show no
weaknesses, no humanity. The women are patterned to be slim & perfect,
if not quite so weak as before, as they give them guns & karate lessons.
The British are more popularized, but I observe that Americans &
other westernized countries also impose a stigma against showing any
feelings. The ones who do are given a label: "Bionic Wimp" - or more
realistically "Schizophrenic", "Bipolar Disorder", "Freak Against
Nature". All opinions & observations that rub against the CNN &/or MTV
values are touted as "dysfunctional".
There's no escape anymore.
In the olden days, sensitive people were cherished & had their
esteemed places in society. Nowadays they are lucky if eligible for FOOD
STAMPS.
Are our societies better than the others before ours, really? Times
have always been oppressive, but nowdays the targets are people who care
too much, humanitarians whose niceness is taken for a weakness.
I think that NOT being able to cry deprives us of a major healing
process. We are one-world, on an ever-shrinking planet.
I hope we are all healing together.
valerie
Lynda wrote:
>
> Oh what a strange world we live in. I admire people who can cry, I find it
> so hard. I wimped out of publicly sharing the reply to the poll, just not
> ready and certainly not that courageous - yet. I know why I find it hard
to
> cry, conditioned respose. The adults around me as I was growing found the
> appearance of tears an affront to the British 'stiff uper lip', to show
any
> feelings was seen as some sort of failure of moral fiber. To let a tear
fall
> was the occaision of being given something to cry for, a beating. And the
> strikes would continue until the tears stopped. But knowing why it's hard
to
> cry dosen't make it any easier. Now when a memory surfaces I try hard to
> hold and comfort my younger self and cry the tears that belong to a
previous
> time, sort of like catching up. So I wrap my arms around myself, and rock
> myself gently and weep what feels like an unshed ocean and pray for
healing.
> And I salute all who ever and where ever and when ever find themselves
doing
> the same.
> With love
> Lynda
>
> A circle is the longest distance to the same point. - Tom Stoppard.
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