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Recieved: 2000/06/22 11:29
Subject: [K-list] Karma and Dharma in a non chaotic world.
From: Augustin Masquilier
On 2000/06/22 11:29, Augustin Masquilier posted thus to the K-list:
| I'd say that this is a very important issue, not just about insurance and
| fear based behavior. It isn't easy to analyze, and the analysis needs to
go
| deep, into the very roots of human existence.
| Do the sick have to be taken care of and healed? Do the poor have to be
| provided for? Are we responsible for things, including the condition of
the
| environment and of our fellow human beings on the planet? Are we
| responsible for sustaining our own lives?
| Yes, I think we'll agree on that. But how does that comply with faith and
| "God will provide" theory?
Here we have a world where people run into all kind of problems, from health
problems to human relation problems... There is no need to make a list.
The insurance thread and the Health one that preceded it *seemed* to
crystallize people into two opposite camps (or let's pretend it was so for
the sake of argument).
On one side: the "down to earth" and also the compassionate people: life is
full of shit and it is up to us to take precautions (insurance) and to help
each other (compassion).
On the other side: those that one may call the mystics: God(dess) has it all
handled. Everything is illusion or Karmic or... so no need to be fearful
etc...
So we seem to have a single world (Gaia and its human existence) but two
basic and seemingly contradictory way to look at it and therefore two
different ways to act or react to it.
Let's go back to my opening statement: I said that we have a world full of
shit, problems, war, diseases, injustice...
At least some of the mystics would disagree with that statement. They would
argue that all is perfection, all is Love, all is done according to the big
creation plan of All-That-Is. It is all a matter of perception.
Precisely: it is a matter of perception and most people (according to any
survey) perceive the world as a shitty one at best! So, let's take on for a
while the majority view and discard the mystics' view of the world.
So people run into troubles of any kind... The next question is how to solve
those problem. To find a solution, we need to find the cause of the problem,
if possible the real one!
Either the world is chaotic or it is not. (simple dualistic point of view, I
know. Let's accept it for now for the sake of argument. I am not quite sure
what my point is but bear with me for a while anyway. We'll see ;-) )
If it is, then there is no hope of finding an ultimate reason for our
problems... Statistically, I have so many chances of being run over by a
drunk driver and there isn't much I can do about it as an individual... If
that's the case, I may as well "protect" myself subscribing to some
insurance policy and hope, in fear, for the best. End of discussion.
If it is not, we can adopt a scientific or a spiritual point of view to
finding the cause of what's bugging us. (Now, I'll be flamed by Dan Winter
and the likes for supposing that science and spirituality are mutually
exclusive!........ :-( Please don't! I am, again, just taking the majority
point of view for the sake of argument... )
As people who join this list (me included) seem to expect to find spiritual
people, let's take the spiritual point of view and ban any scientific
discussion as (Raise your left hand and put the right hand on you heart and
repeat after me- or whatever it is that you are doing over there, in the
USA-:) "dark age, narrow minded, materialistic, conspirational non-sense".
Exit the rational explanation to why someone flamed me today.
So, as good spiritual (?) new-agey (!) people that we all are, we will
consider that the real reason for "badness" are as follows:
1- It is Karma therefore it is well deserved.
2- It is attracted by our mental attitude and, again, we are the ultimate
person responsible for everything.
3- It is a test devised by the Spiritual Masters to check on our progress on
the road to enlightenment.
I am not clear what is the real difference between 1 and 2 but that's
another debate altogether.
If 1 and 2 are true, *I* am the only one to blame for the shit that happens
to *me* and so are *you* (I mean: *you* are also to blame for the shit that
happens to *me*... er....did I get something wrong here?).
What do we do when we see people getting hurt, if we assume that they are
responsible for it??? Here is the crux of the debate that has been going on
for a loooooong while and that has recurrently reappeared on this list and
in our inboxes. It depends which side we take: are we a "compassionate"?
("poor little thing! Let me help you out") Or are we a "mystic"? ("I may
have flamed you but if you get hurt that's your business")
Some may not agree with 3 but I put it here (as you would have guessed:) for
the sake of argument.
The potential existence of 3 (masters testing us without us being at fault)
is important because who are we to know whether a person has health problem
because they "deserved" it or because they are being "trained" and tested by
higher beings for a higher purpose....?
This makes judging people even more inappropriate than it already was.
Having said all this by way of (a rather long) introduction, I guess my
point is in the following story.
According to the way I have been told this story, I am under the impression
that it is a true one that happened somewhere in Central America. Even if it
is not, it still fits my point so (...er... for the sake of argument) allow
me to narrate it to you.
Once upon a time (not so long ago actually) there was a group of young
people, somewhere in South America (but I am repeating myself) dedicated to
follow a truly spiritual path in order to reach a full and complete
enlightenment and be reunited with (whatever his name was)
All-That-something-like-that.
On day (or was it one night, I don't remember), one amongst them got
arrested by the police (who didn't read him his rights) and put to jail (and
didn't even get a phone call) even though he committed no crime. He was
innocent.
His distraught friends gathered in a vigil and prayed Almighty God and
Anubis and all the Masters of Divine Justice for his prompt release.
Yet, the poor innocent person was not released. Days went by and soon week
did too.
One day (or was it one night, I don't remember either), the most advanced
student among that group of seekers of the Truth decided to investigate the
causes of this misfortune by looking at it from the astral (yes, astral
projection was one of the basic skills taught to this bunch of good
fellows).
In no time the skilled student uncovered the Karmic thread that kept his
dear co-disciple in an unfortunate situation. Graced by the clarity of
vision provided by his third eye, he intuitively understood the undeniable
link between the present and the past, all the earthly lives being sealed
together somewhere in the fifth dimension, in the sacred Book of Karma and
Dharma.
Mustering all of his will, he took his astral sword out of its sheath and
prepared to strike a blow that would be echoed in the physical world by the
liberation of his friend.
Just before the sword did its deed, the good student of the occult was
stopped in mid motion by a commanding voice. A Spiritual Master appeared in
front of him in its white garment. The apprentice was exhorted to look
carefully at the situation and to see what the implication would be if he
went ahead and freed his friend straight away.
The obedient youth complied and looked more carefully at the drama that was
being played out. And his eyes and his heart and his mind saw with a clarity
that had eluded him moments before.
Indeed, All-that-Is has it all handled. The esoteric reason why the
unfortunate was sent to jail was to allow him to pay his Karmic debt. All of
his good friends that were praying for his misfortune to end were,
meanwhile, earning Dharma for attempting to help a person in need (and a
person in need is a person indeed!).
With his good intention and a blow from his sword, the good student would
not have helped any of his good friends at all. He would have prevented one
to pay back his debts and the other ones to earn some Dharma.
Now, what is the morale of this story? (all good story have a morale)
Well, I am not sure. To each one of you to make up your own.
Can we call the praying friends "compassionate"? Can we call the good
student a "mystic"?
Does this imply that the way of the compassionate is better than the way of
the mystic? Not necessarily.
Maybe the morale is that all points of view are valid. It is, as I mentioned
at the start, a question of perspective...
What does it tell us about the way we behave on this group?
Maybe nothing... In any case we probably wouldn't agree, so... I let each
one have their own opinion (including those who thought that was a boring
post full of crap and who put it in the GIGO folder long ago without
bothering to finish reading... they also have a point! ;-) )
I only hope I have contributed to give some possible answers to some of the
questions Danijel asked (quoted at the top of this mail).
by the way:
Danijel said:
| Gee, did I write all that? I'm supposed to be lurking...
I guess you did! :-) (and so did I, now)
Who told you that you are supposed to be lurking?
We like it when you come out of the woods. ;-)
Blessings and Love to all
Augustin.
(I am off to sleep)
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