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Subject: Re: Visualization vs Imagination was Re: [K-list] Digest Number
From: John Rushworth
On 2000/06/08 07:54, John Rushworth posted thus to the K-list:
Lesley excited me by saying:
>Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:21:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Lesley Richardson <cat_artistATnospamyahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Visualization vs Imagination was Re: Digest Number 170
[snip thourough visual tales]
>formulas are still in my head - my youngest was
>talking about acids and alkalis and I started pulling
>acid formulas up - seeing H2SO4 as a picture.
Marvellous..then that is somting I seem to have forgoten or need to
re-remember how to do.
>> Tony Buzan.
>Saw him giving a list on the BBC once, all ten objects
>I got first time....so we got his books. Very useful.
One is bun..two is shoe..thre is tree and link the list...yes I remember
but it's just a word or neumonic process in my mind and is linked to
FEELING wheras it seems you bundle in a movie!
>> OK so that seems to be something like eidetic memory
>Don't actually know what eidectic memory is...would
>you care to explain.
Using my Chambers dictionery for the sake of grounding/clarity:
Extraoridnarily clear and vivid, as though actually visible; (of a person
or memory) reproducing, or able to reproduce, a vividly clear visual image
of what has been previously seen. From the Greek...eidetikos - belonging to
an image and from eidos...form.
http://www.ussc.alltheweb.com/cgi-bin/search?type=all&query=eidetic%2Bmemory
1454 documents found - 0.1283 seconds search time
EIDETIC MEMORY
Absolute visual memory Photographic memory
8% of children in study retained complete sensory picture (Haber 1964).
>> Close the book and recall it into memory as a real
>> and clear image and
>> complete.
>Can't do this at once but I will rapidly memorize a
>poem. Learned over a hundred for my exams, including
>the entire Ancient Mariner, and entire Shakespeare
>plays, Macbeth, Hamlet, the Tempest, Merchant of
>Venice, Julius Caesar. Can still remember bits. Could
>memorize in other languages too, Latin (Julius Caesar
>for real, instead of in a play), French (novel by
>Henri Bosco and poems,) large parts of Lorna Doone.
>But you know, it was all just acquisition of facts.
Sure yet a marvellous and wonderful tool. What joy! I am staggered by your
capacity. Lorna Doon..so that's a book that creates images from words?
Wheras I would tend to read say a book that paints emotion...There is a boy
in Ireland called Christopher Nolan. He has no arms. He types with a
pointer strapped to his forehead. The book some years ago won the Whitbread
book of the year in '87.
He writes in this staccato feeling way:
Joseph lay in his night sampan. As usual sleep nodded, but conscience never
allowed rest to negate its nightly questioning. How do I overcome my
mutenes, he pondered. He nested a cassabled frankness, but felt he must
find a way to communicate with boy
>Real creativity, I found, was something else.
Yes. Like being in touch with the muse. I'm not quite sure I've found my
myse howwever writing comes easily to me and I love it!
>Is this the way memory artists remember
>> whole books?
>No, that's a photograph of the page to the level of
>individual characters. I do get that in dreams.
So could that be brought into a day dream? Interesting when we talk of
etymology/terminolgy...like in the URL above they talk of photographic
memory. Somehow I think this whole area is not clearlt de-lineated with
terms and a common understanding between dictionery makers. I mean if the
guy/woman compiling the word does not experience the differences then they
are apt to mis-represent the reality or facts?
>> Again this seems a variation on the theme. I've seen
>> a hypnagogic
>> (borderland falling asleep) image of a geometrical
>> figure that cannot exist
>> in relality.
>Likely it can. Like division by zero or the angles of
>a triangle adding up to other than 180 degrees. Check
>out the Dan Winter links, sacred geometry.
Well Lesley...as you know I ended up on a 6/8 hour surfing trip. It was
like coming home and in fact dan was very helpful and about my dream vision
(what shall I call it?) he said:
notice when the dodec spins, at one moment its shadow is simply a hex
(appearing 3D cubic)
so we can leap from there easier than we think?
it is the 32 degree tilt of the dodec (chin angle spinx
which has hex view.. door to 4d from 3
animation at
http://www.danwinter.com/treeoflife
story at
http://www.danwinter.com/merkabbah/merkabbah.html
what's neat is you dreamed it .... now that becomes lucid.... /
eternal
key to bardo access:
reference
http://www.danwinter.com/eternal
lo phi
Ends quote.
Dan is quite open if a little difficult (for me) to follow coherently
however at some level that too is an attraction of his site. I think I do
no dis-service by quoting him here. What's neat for me is the form can take
a non day to day world reality elsewhere and in fact as it were become
real. I checked out the hear beat site you mentioned but it was too much
sel..sell for me.
>> >I get snapshots that suddenly appear
>> >in my mind and I don't know what some of the stuff
>> in
>> >the image is. Then, sometimes years later, I will
>> >suddenly be driving along and the snapshot will
>> >suddenly move over what is outside and I know I am
>> >where the picture in my mind predicted I would be.
>>
>> Fantastic. What events for example OOI?
>Picture of a freeway, got ten to fifteen years ago.
>There were buildings on either side and all these
>funny little pole things sticking up from the
>buildings, each with a top like a mop.
>Driving down Hwy 14 into LA three years ago, after
>photographing big cats in Rosamund, CA, the slide in
>my mind suddenly came into focus and I saw the exact
>same shot for a few seconds as I neared the city
>center. The funny little poles with mops on tops were
>the palm trees. It was an awesome moment. Ditto last
>year. I had an image of the Air Force Academy outside
>of Colorado Springs and it came to life as I drove
>past the Academy. The only reason I was driving past
>the Academy was I got a really cheap air fare to
>Denver that way and was collected from there by my
>former teacher. But the slide just clicked in the same
>way. It was suddenly there.
>> Wonderful...what a gift or normality.
>Thank you. It was actually wonderful. Except I have
>some other images in my mind that are very distressing
>about people I know that have not yet come true and
>which I fear coming true.
What happesn when you confront the efar or let it go? There's guy here in
Scotland that has the Highland Tradition gift of Second Sight or Black
Rain. His view would be that any given moment there are mutiple future
choices for some folk and one can in effect CHOOSE. I guess I share the
same view.
http://www.scoraig.com/arts/tommybeavitt/articles/sweinmacdonald
The guy that wrote the artice on Swein is a friend I met once if you know
what i mean. at least a like minded connected soul. Scoraig is a crofting
community with no roads. I rode out there along the cliffs by the beatiful
loch and bumped into Tommy and then discoverd the article about Swein who
i've wanted to meet for years. This is another subject area I guess.
I've not snipped anything here above of your story because your story was
so good to read and I'm letting it ride a second time... Why? Dunno..feels
right. You never know Kent might get it on his spaceship;) but as he's
thrown his Teddy well out of the pram...I don't think he'll be back. Guess
he'll be missing out then!
>Not always a good thing,
>images like that. Gifts are often a double-edged
>sword.
Like which side of the blade do you choose?
> ...now
>> try and conceive how I would build a structure such
>> as an engine or
>> gearbox.For me as a
>> sometime Engineer
>
>I map out the picture on graph paper.
But you see pictures first?
>
> The
>> linear non visual thinker will to my mind arrive at
>> the answer more slowly
>> but in, possibly, a more thorough way?
>Maybe the
>> key is to do both!
>If you can...
I guess you do.
> Betty
>Edwards's book, Drawing on the Right Side of the Mind
>teaches people the same way (I think
That's her. Have on my bookshelf. Tried alittle some years back.
>- here's a funny
>thing. I have a terrible time remembering some book
>titles and people's names and a few other things -
My friend has a neat trick...she simply says..Hey! I don't do names! I
guess you could try Tony Buzan's techniques or adopt the above policy.
>especially since I concussed myself badly in January.)
Sheesh...damn...hope you change any possible similar futures next time!
>One of the teachers I
>work with gives exercises that train you to use all
>parts of your Being, movement, imagery, feeling,
>emotion, so that you can sense and see in many
>different ways.
Working on it. Thanks. Trading computer time with a hypontheraphist to
discover what's my block in that area.
>I often 'see' with my mind's eye
I'm occaisional rather than often.
>but
>feel energy from a letter with the skin on my face.
Do you notice a temperature change?
>But I have real trouble visualizing some kinds of
>movement and smells. I can't even bring up the smell
>of a rose. There is so much to learn...
:) Exciting stuff. Occaisionally i've had overpowering olfactory memories.
at first i'd look for the smell but then to realise it was amemory trigger
jolly well surprised me. Hmmm....maybe you can link from a visual memory
into the rose garden.....May it be filled with colour.
Thanks for the energy of your mail.
Here's today's African Violet for you:
http://www.avsa.org/plants/day.cgi
Hmmm......it'll be today's by the time the K-digest gets to you (unless you
are on single message fix) so yeterday's Violet was well....any beautiful
shape and smell you wish....
PS. Screen saver too to surround yourself in bloom
http://www.avsa.org/store/african_violet_screen_saver.htm
John.
http://John.Rushworth.Com
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