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Recieved: 2000/06/07 01:06
Subject: Re: [K-list] To visualise or not...was Re: Poll suggestion was
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2000/06/07 01:06, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 11:01 AM 6/2/00 +0100, John Rushworth wrote:
>Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>> I visualize, and I always have, so far as I can tell.. I remember
>>pictures in my mind, in Grade 1 in response to questions like "What do you
>>want to do when you grow up?"
>> I was an ADD daydreamer,
>
>Wonderful...that is a feeling for me...looking out of the window at school
>and doing something valuable like imagining riding my motorcycle or winning
>a competition...the difference was I would feel it and see no pictures.
>Goodness knows why folk call it ADD?
Well, I have come to think of ADD as a gene marker for a natural
Witch.. the power of imagination that entertained me as a child, is the
power of healing I channel now. The power of seeing is something I am very
grateful for. When I look at someone, I see Goddess in them, and I also see
their ego beliefs as a pattern of energy and shadowy forms in their body.
Ego is not a mysterious thing to me, it has form and structure, and the
structure can be dismantled piece by piece. Same with illness, usually. It
makes a pattern of shadows.
>Surely one is paying attention to what
>matters most to the individual and maybe your bird or my motorcycle was far
>more important than domestic science for beginners....Hmmmm...I see no
>attention deficit here...only a teacher with control issues. I'm delighted
>you had the courage to ADD (sic).
:) Thankyou. In Grade 1 it was hard, in Grade 2 I discovered by
accident that reading was a teacher-approved form of daydreaming I could
enjoy. When I read, it is illustrated in my mind, movies and surround-sound.
>>and that's what my
>>daydreams were, movies in my head. I was also a talented artist from a very
>>early age.. I was the only one in grade 2 who could draw a bird that looked
>>like a bird with feet and a beak and wings, and not a flying m. I imagined
>>a bird and drew it.
>
>Interesting the use of words. This is the crux of the suggested poll.
>Because you have always visualised, as in the bird in your imagination --
>you refer to your process as "imagine" which is the subtle diffrence I'm
>refferring to.
Possibly.. but it also has to do with the slight difference for me, of
"seeing" and imagining. Ever since I was a kid I've had very visual dreams
of things that hadn't been invented yet. I wasn't imagining them (=making
them up), because I "saw" a lot of events that were beyond my comprehension
at the time. I dreamt internet and the child dreaming wondered how it was
possible to communicate thru what looked like a TV. I dreamt the Mansion
project (kundalini sanctuary) when I was 9 years old. It was an amazing
dream, so I remembered it, but I understood very little of what was going
on, when I dreamt it.. it whas been interesting over the years watching
myself growing into the woman of the dream.
Nowadays, I "see" blockages in people, and I Imagine them gone. Seeing
is passive, imagining is active. I "saw" the bird, from memory, held the
memory in my mind and counted it's bits and drew them. Beak, head, feet,
wings, body, tail. ... but I feel blockages, too, if I am using empathy. I
hear voices, if I'm falling asleep or talking to an entity.
It might be because I imagine in ways that are not visual, too..
mostly, tho I am visual. Like Lesley, I was better at geometry that other
types of math because I could visualize the forms. In Junior high School I
discovered I could cram for tests very well with a tape recorder.
Remembering my own voice speaking the words made them stick in my head
better. Learning lines in University, studying acting, I used a tape
recorder and I wrote out my lines and it made them stick in my head
better.. but it was not foolproof. If I was nervous I forgot all my lines,
which eventually caused me to abandon acting in favor of improv comedy.
>Maybe because you do it differently to say me, then you
>interchange the words visualise and imagine. Had we both known or had the
>educators understood the difference....then surely we'd have understood
>better, when young, our differences and what a thought.....maybe you could
>have taught me to see pictures in your way. Maybe you'd have been
>fascinated by the other percentage that had a different process?
Maybe I could, now..
Let me reach out, and touch your head.. because I see a cloud-like
form that curves around the front of your brain where the optical nerves
are, and if I visualize it becoming light, it will be gone.. < 2 days
interruption>
The optical one went easily, but this work is often time travelled so
you might not feel the effects till you read this and give yourself
permission. I was pulled away before I could work on the next thing I saw,
which is usually a sign not to muck with it.. no accidents. There are
blockages around your ears.. almost like you were wearing earmuffs on the
inside of your skull. The pattern goes down either side of your neck and I
know it is wired into control issues.. I'm feeling the blockages too, a
deep ache inside my ear, especially the left side. Old stuff, age 12 or
younger you heard some things you didn't want to hear.. So you created
these blockages to block out some sounds. I really think you were born with
visual potential, too, but you blocked it off.
Now I'm going to detach from empathy with you because this ear ache
wants to become a headache.. Goddes take it.. :)
>Hmmm....I remember that NLP book in the mid eighties "Frogs into Princes",
>and it showed that when folk access visually their eye movement may be
>different to my kinesthetic way. I'don't recall if it differs with past,
>present or future yet as you say, folk may have a primry modality yet maybe
>they switch subject to the context.
Yes, it's different if they are accessing memory or imagining.
Interesting thread, John, thankyou.
Blesings..
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