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Recieved: 2000/06/05 10:21
Subject: Re: Visualization vs Imagination was Re: [K-list] Digest Number
From: Lesley Richardson
On 2000/06/05 10:21, Lesley Richardson posted thus to the K-list:
--- John Rushworth <johnATnospamrushworth.com> wrote:
> This moves into another area which I think is termed
> eidectic memory?
> Interestingly it occured to me that maybe folk that
> could see words as a
> picture could almost cheat in exams!
Your British, so you'll get this. My father is English
and I lived in Southern Ireland through 10 years of
the Troubles, which was interesting in Chinese curse
terms. However, I did the equivalent of 7 O-Levels and
5 A-Levels in the same two-year period and got five
Honors precisely because I could do what your friend
did below...look at the page, memorize the text, which
was slow but then I could trigger the memory by
looking at where in the page a formula or drawing was
(I can still pull up a drawing I did of the heart
valves by where it is on a page in my head) nearly 34
years ago, ditto with a drawing of a motor and its
coils). I can't remember everything though. Some
formulas are still in my head - my youngest was
talking about acids and alkalis and I started pulling
acid formulas up - seeing H2SO4 as a picture.
What he could do, was recall an
> image in the exam of say
> a sheet of paper with formulae written. He couldn't
> actuually see the
> formulae but he could recall a process where he had
> written them down when
> revising in an indented form on a sheet of paper. He
> was then able to
> recall positional information by visualisation of
> where any particular
> formuale would be. This was sufficient to trigger
> the memory of the actual
> formulaeanyhow that rememinds me of the
> neumonic (Sp) method of
> recalling lists as in mind mapping techniques by
> Tony Buzan.
Saw him giving a list on the BBC once, all ten objects
I got first time....so we got his books. Very useful.
> OK so that seems to be something like eidetic memory
Don't actually know what eidectic memory is...would
you care to explain.
> Hmmm.....have you tried doing this when awake? e.g.
> read a small poem.
> Close the book and recall it into memory as a real
> and clear image and
> complete.
Can't do this at once but I will rapidly memorize a
poem. Learned over a hundred for my exams, including
the entire Ancient Mariner, and entire Shakespeare
plays, Macbeth, Hamlet, the Tempest, Merchant of
Venice, Julius Caesar. Can still remember bits. Could
memorize in other languages too, Latin (Julius Caesar
for real, instead of in a play), French (novel by
Henri Bosco and poems,) large parts of Lorna Doone.
But you know, it was all just acquisition of facts.
Real creativity, I found, was something else.
Is this the way memory artists remember
> whole books?
No, that's a photograph of the page to the level of
individual characters. I do get that in dreams.
> Again this seems a variation on the theme. I've seen
> a hypnagogic
> (borderland falling asleep) image of a geometrical
> figure that cannot exist
> in relality.
Likely it can. Like division by zero or the angles of
a triangle adding up to other than 180 degrees. Check
out the Dan Winter links, sacred geometry. You will
likely find what you see animated on his site and it
will blow your mind. It did mine.
I wonder what that is about? It was a
> 3D hexagonal structure.
> i.e. all panels are pentagons and sewn together to
> make a sphere. Imagine
> the pentagons being flat and I still think that is a
> possible 3D shape but
> hexagon..
See above.
> >I get snapshots that suddenly appear
> >in my mind and I don't know what some of the stuff
> in
> >the image is. Then, sometimes years later, I will
> >suddenly be driving along and the snapshot will
> >suddenly move over what is outside and I know I am
> >where the picture in my mind predicted I would be.
>
> Fantastic. What events for example OOI?
Picture of a freeway, got ten to fifteen years ago.
There were buildings on either side and all these
funny little pole things sticking up from the
buildings, each with a top like a mop.
Driving down Hwy 14 into LA three years ago, after
photographing big cats in Rosamund, CA, the slide in
my mind suddenly came into focus and I saw the exact
same shot for a few seconds as I neared the city
center. The funny little poles with mops on tops were
the palm trees. It was an awesome moment. Ditto last
year. I had an image of the Air Force Academy outside
of Colorado Springs and it came to life as I drove
past the Academy. The only reason I was driving past
the Academy was I got a really cheap air fare to
Denver that way and was collected from there by my
former teacher. But the slide just clicked in the same
way. It was suddenly there.
> Wonderful...what a gift or normality.
Thank you. It was actually wonderful. Except I have
some other images in my mind that are very distressing
about people I know that have not yet come true and
which I fear coming true. Not always a good thing,
images like that. Gifts are often a double-edged
sword.
...now
> try and conceive how I would build a structure such
> as an engine or
> gearbox.For me as a
> sometime Engineer
I map out the picture on graph paper.
The
> linear non visual thinker will to my mind arrive at
> the answer more slowly
> but in, possibly, a more thorough way?
Maybe the
> key is to do both!
If you can...
> I write mostly for a motorcycle magazine for a
> living. I paint technically
> very poorly, but use it as a way to express some of
> my awakening experiences.
Actually, you can really draw well, regardless of
where you start. I spent a year in evening classes at
the Atelier Lack here which trains people to draw and
paint like the old masters. One of the teachers used
to say at the start of his class that if you thought
you had a talent you should leave right now. He was
looking for people who really wanted to learn to draw
-- and people who could not draw a straight line when
they started, learned to paint incredibly well. Betty
Edwards's book, Drawing on the Right Side of the Mind
teaches people the same way (I think - here's a funny
thing. I have a terrible time remembering some book
titles and people's names and a few other things -
especially since I concussed myself badly in January.)
> It really does give me
> perspective into our various modalities. Surely
> understanding this
> perception area is one key to the process of
> documenting and sharing ones
> changes in awakening?
Thank you for the kind words. One of the teachers I
work with gives exercises that train you to use all
parts of your Being, movement, imagery, feeling,
emotion, so that you can sense and see in many
different ways. I often 'see' with my mind's eye but
feel energy from a letter with the skin on my face.
But I have real trouble visualizing some kinds of
movement and smells. I can't even bring up the smell
of a rose. There is so much to learn...
Love, Lesley
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